Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Planet Kerwan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete all. Although the discussion shows a pretty even split between those calling for a merge of content vs. those calling for outright deletion, the comments supporting deletion (with the exception of one) raise the fundamental issue of the content's notability as well as the fact that its presence runs afoul of the principle that Wikipedia is not a game guide--issues that are not addressed by the merge comments. -- jonny - m t  03:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Planet Kerwan

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Collection of non-notable articles from a video game (I've realised the pointlessness of PRODding this type of material, so straight to AfD). This is one of those dreaded multi-AfDs, but I've taken care to be sure that there's nothing here that can ever be claimed as notable (a case could possibly be made for the "List of..." article, of course). Black Kite 00:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages:


 * Merge All into List of Planets in the Ratchet & Clank series Nakon  00:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge what, though? There's nothing sourced and nothing notable to actually merge. Black Kite 00:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There appear to be plenty of primary sources. No secondary sources, granted, but the information could still be merged.  Powers T 02:12, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge agree with Nakon . Trees Rock MyGoal 01:58, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Game-guide material. Original research with no assertion of notability. They are all unreferenced, and it is not an editor's duty to clean up and add references to things that the original contributers could not be bothered to do. If an editor does not want information deleted, it should be referenced at the time it is written. Also, please keep in mind that AfD is a discussion, not a vote, and as such simply referencing someone else's comment adds nothing. ~ JohnnyMrNinja  07:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, pish posh. It adds weight to the original comment.  How much weight is variable depending on the closing admin, of course.  And I totally disagree that editors shouldn't clean up and source articles they didn't write; your statement is against the very spirit of a wiki.  Powers T 14:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't say they shouldn't, I said it's not their duty. If an editor feels a piece of information is valid and useful, then it is their responsibility to defend it by properly sourcing it, and asserting it's notability, at the time it is added. If it is not OR, that means the original contributor had a source. Not bothering to list the source creates double-work for someone else, who then has to find a source, and then list it. If it is OR (or just made-up), the other person is looking for a source that doesn't exist. I've had things deleted for this reason, and it sucks, but it wasn't anybody's fault but mine. ~ JohnnyMrNinja  21:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game related deletions. MrKIA11 (talk) 20:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Cautionary delete - I've played all the games, and while it's one of my favorite series, the planets themselves are highly non-notable and pretty much interchangable; it's a setting for a mission for all that matters. Only a couple are important as they come up a couple times in the series, so there's potentially a merge possibility here, but first blush?  Non-notable, and strictly game-guide and should be deleted. --M ASEM  04:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, this material obviously isn't making any money for Jimmy or Angie while it sits here. --Pixelface (talk) 08:17, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all per ongoing consensus that pure in-game material with no secondary sources and no assertion of real-world notability is not appropriate content for Wikipedia. --Stormie (talk) 23:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge all into List of Planets in the Ratchet & Clank series. Even though it is completely unsourced, deletion is not the solution to that problem; finding the sources to verify it is.  Razorflame 19:35, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.