Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plant creatures (Dungeons & Dragons) (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 03:03, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Plant creatures (Dungeons & Dragons)
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This was brought to my attention when it was mentioned at another recent D&D-related AFD. Looking at its history, it was already brought to AFD years ago, and Merged/Redirected per the consensus. Sometime after, as with a number of other D&D articles, it was restored without consensus by a SPA IP account. At this point, the article that it was originally merged to has, itself, been deleted per consensus at AFD, preventing me from simply restoring the redirect, but also making the preservation of this article no longer necessary. The same arguments for deletion given at the previous AFD still apply now - the topic is not covered in reliable, secondary sources in any way that would prove sufficient to pass the WP:GNG. The only non-primary source being used, the "For Dummies" book, is not only just two sentences of in-universe information, but as pointed out in the previous AFD, was written by two employees of Wizards of the Coast, making its independence dubious. Rorshacma (talk) 02:13, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Rorshacma (talk) 02:13, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete May pass LISTN however it is more likely WP:CRUFT. If there is a target for a redirect, do so. otherwise delete.Lightburst (talk) 03:02, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge any information from the individual list items to List of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition monsters. BOZ (talk) 03:13, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:LISTN, no independent reliable sources discuss D&D's plant creatures as a group. Not a very active user (talk) 05:49, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - WP:GAMEGUIDE. BOZ is voting keep in each of these, which is understandable as he is the page creator, but I would be curious to know his rationale for claiming these meet GNG. They are merely describing entries from the AD&D monster manual. -- Sirfurboy (talk) 08:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Fails to establish notability, and there is nothing worth retaining elsewhere. TTN (talk) 00:17, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt. It looks as if this is actually the 3rd nomination for this article, since we also had Articles for deletion/Plant (Dungeons & Dragons) in 2007 already.
 * Delete and WP:SALT as non-notable cruft. Starting to get pretty WP:SNOWy in here.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 08:06, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge the introductory section to Monsters in Dungeons & Dragons and redirect. There is no benefit in utterly deleting the existing information, as it can be used later when secondary and primary sources can properly be integrated into other articles. Secondary sources exist, in addition to the contested Dungeons & Dragons for Dummies plant creatures are at lease mentioned at Churlew, Matthew (2006). ""Masters of the Wild": Animals and the Environment in Dungeons & Dragons" (PDF). Concentric: Literary and Cultural Studies. 32 (1): 135–168. And individual ones, possible also information as a group, appear in The Monsters Know What They're Doing. Daranios (talk) 20:41, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I took a look at the PDF, and the mention of plant monsters is literally just a mention. As in, they're more or less just listed as a type of monster in the game without any kind of actual description or coverage.  That is not sufficient to indicate any kind of notability.  And every time that The Monsters Know What They're Doing book has come up in discussions, I've never seen the actual entry be anything more than a straight description of a monster as it exists in the game, with nothing to indicate notability.  Rorshacma (talk) 02:39, 29 January 2020 (UTC)


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