Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plastic Hall of Fame


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was speedy delete, author blanked and requests deletion -- pb30 < talk > 03:53, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Plastic Hall of Fame

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Non-notable organization. No independent sources given. Google searches return nothing. Web page is &copy;2008, "under construction", boasts as "The Most Prestigious Award in Plastic And Petrochemical Industry" - patently untrue. All "hall of famers" and the entire "council" are apparently Pakistanis. A sham. GregorB (talk) 20:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * comment The company is real - and based in N America and the sub continent of South East Asia. Perhaps the award is real too, albeit very NN.  Should Munir Ahmad Babar be added to this AfD? Springnuts (talk) 20:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No, he may still be notable for his connection to Mapco. GregorB (talk) 20:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * He may be a speedy candidate if this AfD leads to deletion, but happy to wait and see. Springnuts (talk) 20:52, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not necessarily a hoax, but massive COI and NN problems. Unsalvageable.  Springnuts (talk) 20:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete The Hall is real - I myself was invited to the Gala. Yes it is true all the people in the hall are pakistani and real. and they have had only one gala so far in 2007. Over there they intruduced all 4 members into the hall 2 of them were decesed and the 4th one later became the new presedent of the hall. There were no western community present there. there were people from China, Taiwan, Hongkong, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and the UAE I remember this because they intruduced all people one by one. The Hall is not so much of a memrobelia as it is a chance for the Plastic community to get together. The Gala was held in Lahore. And before the new site all of this info use to be on another blog type site. On there new site theay are saying that they will have a magazine and a plastic B2B Directory as well. And as far as Mr. Babar Goes he is a Canadian National of Pakistani Decsent. And Bilal is a British Resedent of Pakistani Descent. And i know for certain that the gala that took place was actually of no cost to the Hall of Fame and there was no cost of entry. I belive the tab was covered by the Hotel for bringing business. I hope this helps. Sam Daddi  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.127.165 (talk) 22:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Please read the rationale for deletion once more. I never said the Hall was not real (i.e. does not exist), I said that it was a sham (="something false or empty that is purported to be genuine; a spurious imitation"). The opposite must be proven, using reliable, third-party sources. GregorB (talk) 09:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete The vanity on this article is obvious. The COI on Safir Ahmad Babar, Munir Ahmad Babar, and Mapco are also just as blatant.  The references are few and far between; the notability (bio and corp) has not been established for any of the above.  I can propose the aditional three articles for deletion if anybody agrees they follow the same thread.  ~a (user • talk • contribs) 23:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment on this. Yes please, but I would say only the first should be added here (if indeed that is allowed). The other two should probably be nominated separately, perhaps waiting until this AfD is complete, as the company may be a notable company, though the current article is unsourced puffery.  Springnuts (talk) 00:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, will do. I'll nominate them separately after this one is closed (no need to rush things).  ~a (user • talk • contribs) 00:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Do Not Delete I guess everyone is entitled to there opinion. after thouroghly reading the text on each of the pages and then verfying the resources i feel that the information is valid and they do belong in the encyclopedia. What i do not ageree with are the wording the writer has chosen to write it in. Again DO NOT DELETE - This is encyclopedic. Sheridan College Student XXXXXXXXXX
 * Comment See Special:Contributions/142.55.209.54. User !voted three times.  ~a (user • talk • contribs) 00:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete I am sure this thing has significance as does all other halls of Fame. Mapco has significancs as does all other major companies such as Exxon Mobil Sabic SAPAL Saddle Creek Corporation Schweizerische Industrie Gesellschaft Qapco. Munir Babar Has segnificance because of his ties to both the Hall of Fame and the Company. Safir Babar has significant because he founded it. Another Sheridan College Student Who Knows Safir Babar XXXXXXXXXX —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.55.209.54 (talk) 00:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment See Special:Contributions/142.55.209.54. User !voted three times.  ~a (user • talk • contribs) 00:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Question How long does it usually take to know weather the article is okay or not. I have to use this for my marketing management report. I know here is a thing called Plastic Hall of Fame And i Know There is A Guy called Safir Ahmad Babar he was a sheridan college student. I am unable to use this for my report as long as there is a red tag placed on it. teachers rules. so please again i wantd to know when will it be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.55.209.54 (talk) 00:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It usually takes about a week. FYI, You can only !vote once.  You appear to have !voted three times.  I'll mark your votes as such.  ~a (user • talk • contribs) 00:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry didnt know if you want i can put it all in one. The reson for doing it three times is because i am use to that i am kind of a chat-aholic on MSN messenger. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.55.209.54 (talk) 00:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * SAFIR A BABAR - SHOULD I DELETE THIS ARTICLE ???? Hi. I Am Safir Babar And i created this article. I founded his organiziation alongside my father Mr. Munir A Babar. Most of you who know the PHOF or Mapco or myself know Mr. Munir Babar. Everything there is true. The reason i wrote the article is because of a friends comments that an organizaton like this belongs on Wikipedia. I am know seriously rethinking this. Maybe it does not belong on the wikipedia because it just started a 3-4 years ago. I Have worked day and night to make this organization a sucess. And if i only get bad publicity from Wikipedia it is not good. If you think i should delete the article please let me know. But the thing is if i delete it today someone eles will write about it tommorrow. so who better person to write it then ho created it. The reason for the topic not found on sevral oher sites is because there was just a wordpress site before, for the subject which closed back in september and know we have moved to a new official website. The website is still under construction and will be completed by the end of feburary. Again I ask do you want me to delete the page if so i will do so. Along with the talk page i will leave this comment on the AfD page. Safir A Babar  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Safirbabar (talk • contribs) 16:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Thank you for posting here. I believe there are a few minor misconceptions you have about Wikipedia.  I'll post just a few notes describing these misunderstandings:  "Everything there is true."  Nobody here is denying that the things on this article are true.  However, "the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." (from the verifiability policy)  In other words, things need to be sourced even though they're true.  "if i delete it today someone eles will write about it tommorrow"  That's exactly what we're hoping.  If the organization is notable enough, editors without a vested interest in the company will try to write an unbiased article with sources and whatnot.  ~a (user • talk • contribs) 21:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Unsalvageably unencyclopedic and entirely promotional article written about a nonnotable organization. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 02:36, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.