Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plastique Tiara


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The result was redirect to RuPaul's Drag Race (season 11). —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:20, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Plastique Tiara

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All of the in-depth coverage has to do with them in a season of RuPaul's show. Outside of that, fails, notability criteria.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:53, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Just redirect the article to RuPaul's Drag Race (season 11). Honestly, you should know better. I specifically started a discussion at Talk:Plastique Tiara to avoid AfD. The redirect serves a purpose. --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 13:55, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - which I didn't know about until after I began the AfD, but thanks for the AGF. I did redirect the article, it was quickly reverted. No sense in starting an edit war, simply let the community decide. Onel 5969  TT me 14:01, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , The community could have decided to restore the redirect without going to AfD. I'm assuming good faith, but at the same time, there's no need to waste editor time discussing deletion and reviewing existing coverage when the redirect serves a purpose and can simply be restored. I'd prefer to see this nomination withdrawn, but that's your choice. If the page is deleted altogether, we'll still need to recreate Plastique Tiara to redirect readers to the season 11 article. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:03, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi - My AGF comment was in respect to your assumption that I ignored your beginning a discussion on the talk page, and simply went straight to AfD. That wasn't the case. In regards to the talk page discussion, it's been my experience that regarding notability, those types of discussions are a waste of time, since you get a very limited number of editors who participate in them, and many of them have "skin in the game" regarding notability. Especially on an article which has had to be protected due to recreation in the past. This way, uninvolved editors will get a chance to take a look, and participate in the discussion if they choose to do so. Regardless, as I said on the talk page, thanks for all your tremendous efforts for the project. Onel 5969  TT me 14:16, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for clarifying and for your kind words. Are you against restoring the redirect? If not, are you willing to withdraw the nom and we can simply enforce the redirect? I really don't think a full AfD discussion is needed at this time. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:18, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * - Of course I'm in favor of the redirect, that's why I did it in the first place. However, since there is a keep !vote, I now can't withdraw the nomination. Onel 5969  TT me 14:20, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * , Ok, I did not know that was a rule. If an admin is reading this and is willing to speedy close this discussion and simply restore the redirect, I think that's best. I'd even support locking the redirect in place temporarily, or having someone ask Cascadia2000 not to revert the redirect restoration. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:22, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

There are multiple sources specifically about her, so I'm fine with Keeping. I'd also be ok with redirecting, but I am against deleting the page altogether. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:48, 29 March 2019 (UTC)


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 * Keep This person is 100% notable. period. First of all she has almost 3/4 of a million followers, which should automatically count as being a notable person. second she has connections with other more famous people outside of Drag Race (Tyra, James, Patrick) and third, she's going to get the page anyway when the season gets deeper and deeper, so its a waste of time to do all of this and just leave the page alone. Also, I think the reason it got redirected in the first place was pure hatred for her and just trolling. --- User:Cascadia2000 User talk:Cascadia2000 —Preceding undated comment added 14:06, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Cascadia2000, you're not helping yourself here... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:08, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That doesn't even make any sense. --- User:Cascadia2000 User talk:Cascadia2000 —Preceding undated comment added 14:11, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Cascadia2000, I appreciate your interest and passion when it comes to adding content to WP. Unfortunately, the reasons you've listed for keeping the article do not satisfy GNG. Follower counts and being connected to famous people (see WP:INHERITED) do not establish notability. I do agree she'll eventually become notable, which is why I support a redirect over deletion. --Kbabej (talk) 14:49, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The inherited argument is invalid because that means she's only notable from being associated with A famous person, when she's actually associated with Multiple famous people. I support keeping the page because there is no reason to discredit everything she did so far as not important when it is. --- User:Cascadia2000 User talk:Cascadia2000
 * Per WP:INHERITED, "Inherited notability is the idea that something qualifies for an article merely because it was associated with some other, legitimately notable subjects." (Emphasis mine.) --Kbabej (talk) 15:02, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * "Keep She once worked with someone famous" - see the difference? --- User:Cascadia2000 User talk:Cascadia2000 —Preceding undated comment added 15:05, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, want more evidence? - "inherited and inherent notability claims can't be verified with evidence." - Almost 20 reliable sources, and probably more with time.User:Cascadia2000 User talk:Cascadia2000 —Preceding undated comment added 15:05, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Struck per Sockpuppet investigations/Ratherbe2000. Linguist111 my talk page 18:10, 26 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Redirect to RuPaul's Drag Race (season 11). While I did find three sources solely focusing on the subject (Distractify, Gold Derby, and Z6 Magazine), the fact of the matter is she's only in the spotlight for being on a reality show for 4 episodes (at this point). I really have no doubt she'll become notable and go on to do more (ie: release music, tour, participate in other projects, etc.), but at this point I think it's WP:TOOSOON. The coverage is only in relation to the show. --Kbabej (talk) 14:35, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll have you know that James Charles collaboration alone gave her at least 100,000 followers over the span of 1 day. --- User:Cascadia2000 User talk:Cascadia2000  —Preceding undated comment added 14:37, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking out loud here, but if you have a RS for that, that information could be added to James Charles' page as an example of his influence. --Kbabej (talk) 14:55, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect - per above. Doesn't currently meet WP:GNG. Nikki</b><b style="color: Salmon;">♥</b><b style="color: Purple;">311</b> 01:16, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * redirect - as above. Brocicle (talk) 09:50, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep; there are numerous independent sources that verify her notability, next. – DarkGlow (talk) 16:41, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect for now, per above. It's a bit WP:TOOSOON. Armadillopteryxtalk 14:56, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets basic WP:GNG. There are plenty of references.--AfPEN (talk) 14:26, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * User blocked for undisclosed paid advocacy. MER-C 09:24, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect as per above. QueerFilmNerd  talk 03:48, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets notability requirements and there are references. 198.33.159.251 (talk) 14:40, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Linguist111 my talk page 20:51, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete/redirect Every contestant on a major reality show will receive coverage related to that, but that alone does not establish notability and I do not see substantive sources outside of routine coverage of the latest season. Reywas92Talk 23:57, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the season article. Every contestant on a reality show always receives some coverage in that context, but the winner of the reality show is the only one who gets to be considered notable because of the reality show per se — a non-winning contestant can still go on to clear the notability bar for other reasons after the show is over (e.g. Jennifer Hudson is not getting deleted just because she didn't win American Idol when she was on it, because she's done other notable stuff since being on American Idol), but the reality-show coverage is not notability-making coverage in and of itself. And the number of followers a person has on social media is not relevant to our notability criteria either: a person with ten million social media followers is still non-notable if their social media following hasn't translated into receiving reliable source coverage in real media in a noteworthy context, and a person with zero social media followers (e.g. a politician who died before social media was even a thing) is still notable if they do get the correct kind of coverage in real media. Redirect for now; she can be recreated if Ru crowns her the winner in the end and/or she accomplishes something new after the show ends that changes the notability equation, but simply being able to show some RPDR-specific coverage is not enough in and of itself. As it stands, even the RPDR-specific sourcing shown here largely isn't actually reliable or notability-supporting anyway: We the Unicorns, YouTube, Saigoneer, Dragstardiva, Distractify and Gold Derby, for example, are total non-starters in terms of ever establishing the notability of anything or anyone on here, and even the ones that are reliable sources (e.g. Billboard) are mostly just covering all of the Season 11 girls as a group, rather than speaking to Plastique's standalone notability as an individual. Bearcat (talk) 16:07, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


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