Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Platamon Academy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. No prejudice against recreation as a redirect. The Bushranger One ping only 23:14, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Platamon Academy

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Contested PROD. Concern was " Football club with no significant media coverage in independent reliable sources and with no appearances in a high enough league -the team was expected to play in the Football League 2 (Greece) for the first time next season, but instead they were relegated to the local Pieria championships.". PROD contested by, who claims that finishing 1st in one Delta Ethniki group and being scheduled for promotion but not getting there is a notable achievement. Except it's not, since the club never played above the fourth level of Greek football, which is a requirement for participation in the national cup, but more importantly it fails WP:GNG, as coverage on the club is limited to routine	match reports. – Kosm  1  fent  07:58, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. – Kosm  1  fent  08:08, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete: Fails WP:FOOTYN and WP:GNG. From my knowledge you have to have played in that league (and pass GNG of course). So you could say that the club is notable still for being "supposed" to play in the Greek Football League 2 but GNG would kill that hope sadly. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 09:36, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: The fact that Akadimia Platamona in 2011/12 won Group 3 of Delta Ethniki (fourth tier) and gained promotion to Football League 2 (Greece) but then later agreed to a demotion to local football was a notable achievement/event. There appears to be plenty of evidence that the club meets WP:GNG but I leave that one open for further comment.


 * The Greek name for Akadimia Platamona (Platamon Academy) is Ακαδημία Πλαταμώνα for which there are 30,200 Ghts with numerous reasonable quality articles of which I highlight:


 * http://uk.soccerway.com/national/greece/delta-ethniki/2011-2012/group-3/


 * katerinisport.gr Ακαδημία Πλαταμώνα
 * http://katerinisport.gr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2629:2012-05-27-18-46-49&catid=49:2010-09-11-06-42-28&Itemid=150


 * imathiasportsnews.wordpress.com Ακαδημία Πλαταμώνα
 * http://imathiasportsnews.wordpress.com/?s=Ακαδημία+Πλαταμώνα
 * http://imathiasportsnews.wordpress.com/tag/ακαδημία-πλαταμώνα/
 * http://imathiasportsnews.wordpress.com/2012/07/07/ακαδημία-πλαταμώνα-τέλος-ζήτω-ο-αιγιν/


 * portalpierias.gr Ακαδημία Πλαταμώνα
 * http://portalpierias.gr/?s=Ακαδημία+Πλαταμώνα&x=9&y=1
 * http://portalpierias.gr/archives/7768


 * katerinigoal.gr Ακαδημία Πλαταμώνα
 * http://www.katerinigoal.gr/2012/05/blog-post_3256.html


 * And we have not looked at the newspapers! League Octopus (League Octopus 10:01, 25 August 2012 (UTC))
 * Please explain how posts from blogs are considered reliable and "quality" sources. Also, routine sports journalism, including match reports, doesn't justify notability. – Kosm  1  fent  10:12, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: With reference to WP:NEWSBLOG and WP:SELFPUBLISH it is wrong to simply dismiss blogs. The above blogs appear high quality compared with those I am familiar with in Portugal and Spain.  However we are missing the point - I am simply astounded at the number of sources that refer to Akadimia Platamona (Ακαδημία Πλαταμώνα).  Yes there are plenty of match reports but if we look carefully there is material that can be used to prepare a reasonable article in particular the "takeover negotiations" by Aiginiakos F.C. that has enabled this local Pieria club (who competed last season in the local district championships) to replace Akadimia Platamona in the Football League 2 (Greece).  Other web sources that we might like to research are:


 * inews.gr Ακαδημία Πλαταμώνα
 * inews.gr search


 * onsports.gr Ακαδημία Πλαταμώνα
 * onsports.gr search


 * metrosportgr.com Ακαδημία Πλαταμώνα


 * novasports.gr Ακαδημία Πλαταμώνα


 * palo.gr Ακαδημία Πλαταμώνα


 * periferiako.com Ακαδημία Πλαταμώνα


 * And we have not looked at the newspapers! League Octopus (League Octopus 10:10, 26 August 2012 (UTC))
 * We are looking to establish the club's notability right now. Prettiness or "high quality" of self-published sites you posted above make no statement about fact-checking and accuracy, which are two essencial requirements for a source to be considered "reliable". Also, as I've said twice above, routine sports journalism, albeit useful for providing some material for an already notable article, does not justify notability by itself. So if you remove those two kind of sources from contention, you'll see that the number of sources still eligible to provide notability declines rapidly. – Kosm  1  fent  11:56, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The second group of above sources including the many listed at inews.gr search and [onsports.gr search appear to be linked to newspapers or national news agencies. These articles would also have appeared in newspapers and it would be interesting to establish newspaper coverage and content.  Is there an online national library archive or university archive that we can research Kosm1fent?  Within any research of this nature it is a matter of separating routine sports journalism from useful material and there is clearly important material in this case with the [[Aiginiakos F.C.]] takeover. League Octopus (League Octopus 12:34, 26 August 2012 (UTC))
 * I'm back home now and I can properly answer to you. It seems that you've entered wrong search terms. You can look for sources in specific websites, by googling the name of the club in quotation marks and adding site:www.thesiteyouwant.com. By doing that, you can properly determine the amount and quality of coverage in any site you want. For example, "Ακαδημία Πλαταμώνα" site:novasports.gr gives out only brief articles about two friendlies played by the club against Pierikos and AEP Iraklis F.C., which both articles written by the bigger teams' prespective and features virtually no mention on the club. Another search, "Ακαδημία Πλαταμώνα" site:metrosportgr.com gives out the announcement of the promotion of Aiginiakos, which only half of the second paragraph is about Akadimia ("they will play in the local championship instead of the third division"). Onsports.gr has got nothing but match reports. Palo.gr and inews.gr are search machines for Greek news and don't provide content of their own, most of the search results are match reports from onsports.gr. So, since Aiginiakos has already established notability (participated at the Greek third level in 1990, source "MetroSport" link above) and Akadimia has not (non-significant coverage), I'd also support a redirect to Aiginiakos F.C.. Cheers. –  Kosm  1  fent  14:39, 26 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete: Although there are many sources (30,200 Ghts) that refer to Akadimia Platamona (Ακαδημία Πλαταμών) I cannot filter through them as I have no understanding of the Greek language. Other sources that I have recently identified are laosver.gr, eleftheria.gr and pierikoiantilaloi.gr. The main sources are at Imathia Sports News but this blog appears to be WP:SELFPUBLISH. It would have been useful to establish the reliability of the author and where he obtained his source material but I acknowledge failure on that one.  At the moment the Platamon Academy article as it stands clearly does not meet WP:GNG and I find it frustrating that I cannot even establish the foundation date of the club and whether there was a previous club at Platamon.


 * The Delta Ethniki has a huge number of links and the league tables for the last 12 seasons are covered in Greek Wikipedia. Comparable leagues such as the Portuguese Third Division contain notable clubs but the Delta Ethniki clubs are harpooned by WP:FOOTYN because of the entry restrictions to the Greek Football Cup. It need not be this way as we could use the Greek Football Amateur Cup which serves semi-professional and amateur teams in the Greek Fourth Division.  I find it so frustrating that in England the FA Vase and FA Amateur Cup confers notability but I face a stone wall when suggesting we use the Greek Football Amateur Cup in Greece.


 * Delta Ethniki in Greek Wikipedia lists all the group winners going back to 1982-83. Perhaps a Greek editor can kindly include this table in the English Wikipedia version.  Then the accomplishment of Akadimia Platamona and others will not be forgotten. League Octopus (League Octopus 10:43, 27 August 2012 (UTC))
 * The settlement of Platamon and its castle is very special to me for personal reasons. League Octopus (League Octopus 10:47, 27 August 2012 (UTC))
 * Platamon is lovely, and I'm sure a few lines in the town article about the club would not hurt. As for the list of Delta Ethniki champions, I'm on it. Finally, regarding to the Greek Amateur Cup issue, it is in many ways different from the English FA Vase (no coverage besides brief match reports, no TV broadcasts, virtually no match attendance, no fixed participation – the en.wiki article about the Greek Amateur Cup is wrong). The FA Vase was added because it apparently receives quite a lot of media coverage so I don't think the Greek version should be used as a notability criterion. Cheers. –  Kosm  1  fent  16:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I placed a few words on the Platamon page yesterday that I hope we can redirect to. League Octopus (League Octopus 18:16, 29 August 2012 (UTC))


 * Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 10:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - per League Octopus. Mentoz86 (talk) 13:29, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.