Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Platinum Blonde (Paris Hilton album)


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 04:24, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Platinum Blonde (Paris Hilton album)
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Can't find a reliable source for title, tracklist, or release date. Blogs and YouTubes by the score, but nothing reliable. &mdash;Kww(talk) 05:27, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge relevant content together with Heiress Records into the main article, which already contains some data/sources about the BFF song. Oddly enough the only (gossip) source for Platinum Blonde is called "bizarre USA"... -- Avant-garde a clue - hexa Chord 2  05:41, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Hasn't an article on her next album been deleted recently under a different name? None of the info in the article is sourced, so you can't really merge any of it.  TJ   Spyke   06:02, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Wrong, the Kylie part is sourced and keepable. We may ask where the 2009 release date comes from.-- Avant-garde a clue - hexa Chord 2  06:07, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL and lack of concrete sources. ╟─ Treasury Tag ► contribs ─╢ 08:22, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: notability of album not established WP:CRYSTAL. JamesBurns (talk) 08:57, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as a non-plausible search term, fails notability per WP:MUSIC.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 12:00, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:CRYSTAL. (And not my general dislike of Paris to begin with.) DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) | (talk to me) | (What I've done)  16:07, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You may enjoy WP:ATA, especially WP:JUSTA and WP:IDL. Just have a look! -- Avant-garde a clue - hexa Chord 2  16:21, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * But I avoided using my dislike of Paris Hilton, and instead used WP:CRYSTAL instead. I couldn't think of anything else. Did you just want me to copy and paste verbatim from that page? DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) | (talk to me) | (What I've done)  15:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've seen you throw around WP:ATA in a lot of discussions, Hexachord. It's not a policy, it's not a guideline, it's just an essay.--Sloane (talk) 03:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, but it makes a vote somewhat understandable if you not just point at WP:XY or say "per nom" or "per my close buddy". I've seen so many cases of people voting without looking at the article first, not to mention a brief look at the sources or doing a bit of own research. People even admit it! And since this is a discussion and not a simple vote, there must be something to discuss - beginning with the nomination, that should be more than one sentence. We might discuss this at a better place if you want. -- Avant-garde a clue - hexa Chord 2  04:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you please point out where people have admited to not looking at an article. Duffbeerforme (talk) 07:58, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:CRYSTAL --Sloane (talk) 03:34, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete The only somewhat verifiable information in the article is that her "manager confirmed that the singer will be releasing her next album under her own label". The title is unverifiable, the release date is unverifiable, the tracklist is unverifiable. The Thaiindian News article is referring to the interview she gave on Kiss FM (the "which is reportedly set to hit stores later this year" is referring to 2008). -- Amalthea 10:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CBALL. Stifle (talk) 15:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:CBALL all speculations --Smanu (talk) 17:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 20:46, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep (Hopefully) -- Okay, so I didn't source that many references. But I was relying on what had been posted on "Paris Hilton (discography)" page before; and now I am trying to find the sources again. Also, it has been shown all over the internet that this will be her new album's title, and the genres are accurate and sourced, the part about Kylie is accurate and sourced, and  the part about which label is also accurate and sourced. And I am looking for an accurate source for the track listings, and the tracks that I found weren't based on Youtube videos, only the times were. Plus, seeing as her album is already recorded, I don't think it's gonna take more than 9.5 months to find a label to release the album :S. I'll post again once I find some more sources.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander.hugh.george (talk • contribs) 21:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Alexander, if you can find one reliable source for title and release date it would go a long way. As it is, the album fails the guideline at WP:NALBUMS about future albums. And about the release date, Hilton said in the radio interview in late September 2008 that it would be out in a couple of weeks. It's now 5.5 months later, and it still has no release date announced. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it didn't come out this year, and just calling the release date as 2009 is speculation. It doesn't hurt us to wait until there is something official. -- Amalthea 01:02, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment. Article overhauled. -- Banj e  b oi   07:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep and rename to Paris Hilton's second album for now. Even if the entire project is scrubbed, which doesn't seem likely, that would be written about extensively. This album has been covered by reliable sources since her highly publicized jailtime in July 2007. I had little problem finding more sourcing and giving her popularity as a interview guest on all manner of television shows there seem little doubt that even more sources presently exist and more will become available. For those unaware she is also starring in her own reality show that features on of the tracks as the theme. Seemingly every project she does sells well despite the slumpy economy. The article has been cleaned up and is ready for moving to the generic title. When a reliable source publishes the confirmed title it can be moved to that. So we have confirmed tracks and summer 2009 - a few months from now - just not the title. This is what we have IAR for, there's little doubt that more than enough sourcing already exists so all that is in flux is the title. -- Banj e  b oi   07:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much to whoever it was that found all the sources. My itnernet wasn't functioning for the past 24 hours and I just got on now. So thanks a lot :) :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander.hugh.george (talk • contribs) 14:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep As mentioned above, it does mean the WP:NALBUMS guideline now, which reads: unreleased albums are in general not notable; however, they may be notable if they have significant independent coverage in reliable sources. Thanks to all the sources added, it meets that requirement.   D r e a m Focus  23:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that the coverage here really is about Paris's second album. Let's take a quick look:
 * http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2008/11/paris-hilton-se.html?xid=rss-hollywoodinsider-Paris%20Hilton:%20I%27ve%20finished%20my%20second%20album is indeed a reliable source for "Paris claims to have finished her second album." I'd have a hard time using it to support the claim that the album exists, because Paris isn't an independent source about Paris's activities.
 * http://www.winnipegsun.com/entertainment/tv/2009/03/01/8577431-sun.html doesn't mention the album at all.
 * http://popdirt.com/paris-hilton-rapping-on-second-album/71781/ isn't a reliable source, and doesn't say much of anything concrete even if you treated it as reliable.
 * http://www.bittenandbound.com/2008/12/02/paris-hiltons-new-album-already-in-trouble/ is a gossip blog.
 * http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/41386 is simply a report of what she told Entertainment Weekly in the first report: again, stands up for "claims to have finished an album", not for the actual existence of one.
 * http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=33176 is a gossip column reporting Paris's claim.
 * http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/india-news/paris-hilton-warner-bros-cut-ties-before-second-album_100103114.html is a report of another Hilton interview, this time with the New York Daily News.
 * http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/10/02/2008-10-02_paris_hilton_warner_bros_quietly_cut_tie.html is a gossip column, reporting the original interview that thaindian.com is reporting, and it is reporting on an album release date that has come and gone.
 * http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b55648_Paris_Singing_a_New_Tuneor_10.html is another direct Hilton interview, sourcing the fact that she is working with Storch.
 * http://www.mtv.co.uk/artists/paris-hilton/news/40433-paris-hiltons-new-album again source the claim to be working with Storch.
 * http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/usa/article2242198.ece is yet another report on the same Entertainment Weekly interview.
 * http://www.intouchweekly.com/2009/02/pariss_new_album_its_a_rap.php is illegible, but once you get past that, it's sourced to an anonymous insider. It does have a Paris quote, reiterating her claim to have written every song all by herself.
 * http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10546590 is reliable, and repeats the problem of no one wanting to touch this thing.
 * http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/discography/index.jsp?pid=699848&aid=788893 hasn't got anything to do with the second album.
 * http://newsroom.mtv.com/2008/03/17/paris-hilton-reveals-the-secret-of-her-music-career/ says nothing about the second album.
 * http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/09/30/2008-09-30_check_out_paris_hiltons_new_single_my_bf.html is primarily about a single, but does claim that it will be on the second album.
 * http://www.myfoxdc.com/ may have said something, but who knows what? It's gone now.
 * http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,,24755907-10388,00.html doesn't say anything but "due out in the new year", but with no label, that isn't a credible statement.
 * So, in summary, what we have reliable sources for is "Paris Hilton is planning on releasing a second album which she says has written every song and already finished recording. No record label has been willing to release it. Her two existing singles, "My BFF" and "Paris for President" are reportedly included." That's not an article ... at best, that's two sentences in Paris Hilton. Those two sentences are pretty much already at Paris Hilton. The article as it stands now is exactly the kind of rumor and gossip collection that WP:CRYSTAL is so effective at preventing. I certainly don't think that it's at all inevitable that a second album will ever be released.&mdash;Kww(talk) 00:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Firstly I didn't add all these sources but the ones I did add certainly do discuss the album with the few exceptions, like Billboard, that are there to provide information about her last album for context. Secondly, you may have missed a few things. which you state doesn't mention the album, does in fact say  Hilton released a CD in 2006 and is "basically finished" with her next album, which she hopes will be out by the summer. "I'm just doing a couple more songs and as soon as I have time I'm going to plan out a tour," she said. "It's just hard with my schedule." No matter how you slice it, Hilton is one of the most famous people in the world.  which you characterize as a gossip blog is editorial run by the San Francisco Chronicle so also shows she is written about, even if gossip-like, by newsmedia worldwide, about this album no less.  and  also talk about this album that she is working with Storch, on this album. Etc etc. these sources do in fact general talk about this album, a future project so really how much do you expect, or add context discussing her music and her last album for context. The point is that the Hilton is subject to immense media attention no matter what she does. Unless the entire project is canceled, which seems unlikely, it has already been the subject of numerous interviews many of which would also be fine sources here. We don't have to beat this in though, it's clear there is a second album and music has already been released. We're going to have an article and the current one is NPOV and fine. As better sourcing, and official information allows the article will improve.  -- Banj e  b oi   02:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep, expand, and source properly. I dislike Paris Hilton and "popularity" and "public interest" being seen as "notability" contrary to guideline. However, it does not seem Crystal when one can listen to tracks from the album. She can't sing, but her name will sell this tripe, now that it finally has a name. MTV, W-Online, People Magazine, Bitten and Bound, and others found through a google search.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 00:43, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no reliable source to confirm the name. -- Amalthea 00:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yet. But that is a problem that can be solved by moving to the generic title and moved back once there is a source. -- Banj e  b oi   01:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't that wait until there's something to say about this album? For all the apparent weight of this article, very little of it is about any upcoming album. It's got a lot of stuff on Paris Hilton, a lot of stuff about her first album, but all we know about the second album is still Paris Hilton is planning on releasing a second album which she says has written every song for and is already finished recording. No record label has been willing to release it. Her two existing singles, "My BFF" and "Paris for President" are reportedly included.. Far from enough meat to build an article about any second album from.&mdash;Kww(talk) 02:15, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually there is more than just that but we have articles with far less than this sit blissfully still while this one has attached to it one of the most famous people in the world whose every move is overly chronicled. If she doesn't make the album it will be written about extensively, if she does and it's a flop it will be written about extensively. I'm sorry but she's a media magnet doing interviews and appearances left and right. The minute she's done promoting her current reality show and wants to bring attention to this issue it will be covered even more. Just not seeing the big urge to delete here, unclear what damage to Wikipedia this is apparently causing. -- Banj e  b oi   02:27, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


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