Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Playable races in the Warcraft series


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete; there are seemingly unsurmountable problems about what Wikipedia is not, and notability outside the game universe, but the killer blow comes from verifiability. Without sources, the article is doomed to remain a repository of original research. This article is also the destination of the contents of a number of articles on the individual races which staved off deletion by being merged there; this has been put forth as an argument to keep&mdash; but I find it unsupported by policy, and therefore unconvincing. &mdash; Coren (talk) 05:04, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Playable races in the Warcraft series

 * – (View AfD) (View log)

There is already a list of characters for the Warcraft series, there are also individual character articles where a character is notable. There is even a Warcraft universe article! But this list is just a mountain of original research, and which is also unsourced and written in an in-universe way, and is also a regurgitation of facts and trivia from the various Warcraft game articles, so it is entirely duplicative. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:37, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm all for the elimination of fan writing, but this list is where I think several articles with marginal notability such as Forsaken (Warcraft) were/will be redirected to. I'm sure it is a mountain of crud now, but deleting it at this time might dampen the spirit of cooperation we are getting from fans of the game. After all, it is a hugely popular game, so a handful of articles will meet the mission of an encyclopedia. As for a policy reason to keep, it is that AfD is not cleanup. AnteaterZot (talk) 23:59, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment This article is the result of Articles for deletion/Dwarves (Warcraft), which closed on October 23, 2007 as merge. – sgeureka t•c 00:51, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * And as you can see from what the closer of that deletion said, there was a strong temptation to delete all of those articles for lack of notability, which is dead on; all those stubs put together make this still unnotable and unreferenced article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I know. This was just a procedural comment. :-) – sgeureka t•c 01:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * delete there are no references, or arguments of notability. The chances that there is extensive coverage of the topic of "Playable races in the Warcraft series" by reliable secondary sources as is required by the wikipedia policies of WP:N and WP:RS is nill.  Where is the treatment of what this all "means"?  Without such treatment this is an arbitrary collection of information, which is what an encyclopedia is not (WP:not).  This is pure game cruft, with no encyclopedic value what so ever.  Either it is deleted or the core policies of Wikipedia mean nothing. Pete.Hurd (talk) 04:53, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep this article is the resultant merge from a clutch of previous WC AFD's only a couple of weeks ago. These subjects are in multiple reliable sources (exactly because they're playable), the other article (humanoid races) is the one which should go - it wraps up these ones alongside fodder enemies from Warcraft III. If you insist on some digging being done there's some potential sources brought up in the previous AFD, so I could have a look, but this could be a decent article if given a chance.Someone another (talk) 07:12, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep This article is a combination of various other articles only done a little bit ago. We should give it some time before we delete something like this.  Captain   panda  13:19, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - Normally I would agree with you, but there seems to be no real hope of getting a well referenced article, especially when there isn't even enough stuff on the races of warcraft in the Warcraft universe article, let alone enough references to justify a whole article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 15:59, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete Despite nearly an entire month after the merge, this article has still remained largely unsourced, unnotable fancruft containing a large amount of plot summaries.
 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 14:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Burn — unreferenced OR. -- Agüeybaná  14:38, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Lack of references is a flaw, but not a deleteworthy one unless no references are possible even in principle. That's not the case here. Bryan Derksen (talk) 09:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Do we really two two lists of Warcraft races? I think a suggest merge tag might be worth a try.  Citi Cat   ♫ 14:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

The only source on the page is to a Warcraft site. It does not have a third-party source to establish its notability to the real world, indicating that readers who do not play any games in the series would most likely have no interest in reading these articles.

Along with that, it comprises of fancruft which has a tendency to attract original research, furthering it from being properly sourced. It also contains a large amount of plot summaries within the various races which Wikipedia is not.

It does not seem like any effort is placed into improving these issues of the article brought up last time, and it can be assumed that intentions of improving it will not occur without this AfD being made. IAmSasori (talk) 15:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Even placing all the races into one articles, they still only have in-universe notability, and do not meet notability standards for fiction. Pastordavid (talk) 20:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. The article violates WP:NOT and WP:NOT, and it is unlikely notability can be established by reliable secondary sources per WP:FICT. Many who !voted keep in the group AfD for the races argued that the information was notable yet no sources have been provided after a month and nothing has been done to assert any sort of real-world context or significance. Doctorfluffy (talk) 23:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Lump of unsourced game-related material easily mergeable with other articles. JFW | T@lk  22:45, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.