Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plaza Carolina


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Concern about sources rebutted. Secret account 02:02, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Plaza Carolina

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WP:N concern [ UseTheCommandLine  ~/ talk  ]# &#9604; 17:17, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:42, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:43, 25 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. 2nd largest mall in Puerto Rico. " Dloh  cierekim  05:14, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, you mean the claim that's unsourced? What if it were 3rd, or 5th, or 9th? still notable? -- [ UseTheCommandLine  ~/ talk  ]# &#9604; 05:28, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Here are two reliable sources backing up such claim:  You are encouraged to refocus your energy on improving the article instead. &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 12:46, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, you think and  qualify as WP:RS? They both talk only about PR on their about: pages. I'd be happy to go to WP:RSN if you truly think they are RS though. -- [  UseTheCommandLine  ~/ talk  ]# &#9604; 08:40, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Posted about newsismybusiness.com, since that's the one that seems the most in question. The other one's about page that talks about "Targeted Publications and Marketing Services" makes it seem like less of a priority to ask about, somehow. -- [ UseTheCommandLine  ~/ talk  ]# &#9604; 08:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * News Is My Business is an online newspaper whose editor in chief is Michelle Kantrow. Kantrow is a journalist with over 18 years of experience who has published for Caribbean Business, The San Juan Star, and the Puerto Rico Daily Sun (online and printed newspapers). She also holds awards from the Overseas Press Club of Puerto Rico. Per WP:RS and WP:NEWSORG: "When taking information from opinion content, the identity of the author may help determine reliability." Regarding Caribbean Business, they are an online and printed newspaper which has been in publication in Puerto Rico since 1973. The About Us page from Caribbean Business is not hosted by Caribbean Business itself, but by Casiano Communications the parent company whose line of business is "Targeted Publications and Marketing Services that Reach the Puerto Rico Market". See the difference now? Hope that helps. This is not the first time that we have to explain this over and over since they are WP:RS based on local standards which you might not be familiarized with. &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 13:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep. Ridiculous assessment by nominator. Subject meets all requirements established by WP:GNG. Lack of reliable sources or the way the content is presented does not merit deletion: that's simply a content issue. Reliable sources can be found by performing a simple search on El Nuevo Día, Primera Hora, Caribbean Business, NotiCel, El Vocero, and News Is My Business which are all considered reliable sources by Wikipedia as well as being local newspapers in Puerto Rico. Per WP:AGF, nominator's good intention is duly noted, but his assessment is quite off. Nominator is encouraged to add the reliable sources himself if he is so preoccupied about such matters per WP:IMPERFECT and WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM by using the following Google searches:      &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 12:46, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sigh Dloh cierekim  16:36, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Non-notable. Any hits are either ads for the mall, ads for stores/activities in the mall, or PR annoucnements about remolding the mall.  Nothing seems to be written about the mall itself that isn't because of company PR.  Caffeyw (talk) 07:31, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Article from El Nuevo Día which is not an ad nor an annoucement: written by a journalist, namely Marian Díaz, which covers the mall itself and its activities. Another one from Caribbean Business covering the mall and written by another journalist, Frances Ryan: . Same thing with     all from independent reliable sources and written by journalists rather than by the mall's public relations department. Seriously, why don't you focus your energy on improving the article instead of stating false accusations? &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 15:12, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment by nominator even with the coverage noted by Ahnoneemoos, assuming it's RS, I am not sure it passes WP:CORP, the relevant standard (since there is no WP:NMALL, though there was an attempt at creating one.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by UseTheCommandLine (talk • contribs) 05:34, August 27, 2013‎
 * Per WP:CORP: "An organization is generally considered notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources." We have provided independent secondary sources which have covered Plaza Carolina significantly. Once again, you are advised to focus your energy on improving the article rather than trying to get it deleted. &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 15:12, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep Many WP:RS identified in the above discussion. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 22:39, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - Similar situation with the San Patricio Plaza nomination above: I was not ready to comment on this when the nomination first opened up, given the dubious "short-and-sweet" style of the nomination. However, now I have to agree with the arguments opposing the delete nomination since the Notability arguments presented since show that WP:N has been adequately satisfied. My name is Mercy11 (talk) 00:23, 1 September 2013 (UTC), and I approve this message.


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