Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plaza Middle School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Plaza Middle School (Virginia Beach) will redirect to Virginia Middle School Xavexgoem (talk) 16:49, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Plaza Middle School

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Seems to be about two completely unrelated schools, neither of which are notable or sourced. The usual delete or redirect?  Purpleback pack  89  ≈≈≈≈  01:34, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:40, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:41, 3 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Virginia Beach City Public Schools per convention, not finding coverage in 3rd party sources that would indicate this can or could ever meet notability guidelines RadioFan (talk) 03:09, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect of course.If there is any confusion about the redirect, make a suitable disam page. Totally unnecessary nomination -- these redirect/merges are routine & only need to come here if challenged. No reason given against a redirect, which is understandable, since there is none possible.  DGG ( talk ) 05:48, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not so clear that no argument for deletion over redirection is possible. And find it curious that you would say that, as you have out a nomination (which I agree with) of a mall for deletion -- not redirection -- at Articles for deletion/Plaza Kota Tinggi.


 * It is not clear to me what the benefit of a redirect would be. There are hundreds of thousands of schools. If we were to redirect all of them to pages such as the indicated one, would that be a good thing? I'm not sure, at this point. In this case -- though admittedly things could change -- all readers would see would be ... the name of the school. As well as the names of other schools, but that is not what they are searching for. What is the benefit of leading the reader, rather than to a dead end, to ... the name of the search term he entered? As best I can tell, not much.


 * I'm guessing that is why we do not redirect non-notable malls, corporations, partnerships, organizations, and people as a general rule. If the opposite were in fact the general rule, we would likely term this exercise "Articles for Redirection". Still, I have an open mind on the subject, because while I see the benefit of a redirect as quite small, it may be that the cost is quite small as well.--Epeefleche (talk) 17:40, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Look, we have two or three different opinions expressed in this discussion. That alone justifies the discussion.  Purpleback  pack  89  ≈≈≈≈  01:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Convert to disambiguation- Kansas City, Missouri Park Hill School district has a Plaza Middle School as well (which someone kindly coatracked to the bottom of this article), a Plaza Park Middle School in Evansville, Indiana, I didn't find others, but 2 and a one-off support disambiguation, not redirect. Dru of Id (talk) 09:58, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Convert to disambiguation- Dru of Id has made the case for disambiguation, and a brief mention in Virginia Beach City Public Schools would be reasonable. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:48, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete I disagree with disambiguation, since none of the schools named Plaza Middle School is notable. --MelanieN (talk) 02:26, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for piping up on that point. As you know, I'm at this point in time generally open to redirects (disambig being simply one form of redirect).  But -- largely prompted by comments such as "No reason given against a redirect, which is understandable, since there is none possible", I've started to think more closely (as reflected above) about them.  I appreciate that there can be differing views on the subject, and suspect that the differing editors may well have reasonable rationales.--Epeefleche (talk) 02:36, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I generally oppose school redirects when the name of the school is not unique. (I would be OK with a redirect if the article name was unique, such as Plaza Middle School (Virginia Beach).) And I oppose disambiguation when the subjects being disambiguated are not notable enough for their own article. Wikipedia policy backs me up on that: "Disambiguation in Wikipedia is the process of resolving the conflicts that arise when a single term is ambiguous—when it refers to more than one topic covered by Wikipedia articles." (my emphasis) --MelanieN (talk) 03:02, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh sure ... pull out the "I'll point you to the unambiguous policy" card, why don't you.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:06, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL! Sorry! --MelanieN (talk) 03:10, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
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