Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plucky Brit


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was ‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__  merge with Stereotypes of British people. I have seriously considered the proposal to transwiki the content to Wiktionary since Wiktionary does accommodate definitions of various idioms as well as words. However, Wiktionary has a Wiktionary:Criteria for inclusion policy or guideline, that requires "attestation" to verify that the term or phrasing is in widespread or at least durable use and I have been unable to verify that the expression "Plucky Brit" is an idiom that meets Wiktionary's criteria for inclusion.

Many of the listed sources don't use the term "Plucky Brit" at all, and even the ones that do, such as the cited BBC article don't seem to use it idiomatically. Rather, it is the adjective "plucky" to describe the noun "Brit". Defining a "Plucky Brit" as a Brit who is plucky doesn't bring any new meanings that require further definitions. The Times article is behind a paywall, and may be using the term idiomatically based on the capitalization in the title, but even so "durable use" on Wiktionary calls for at least three examples of the expression being used.

The other WP:ATD option that was suggested was merging and redirecting to the "Stereotypes of British people". Although this option was crossed out by its proposer, on the belief that the transwiki option had more support, this option is consistent with policies and guidelines. A number of the cited in the articles do indeed explicity refer to the "plucky" sportsman as "stereotypically" British, so including this content there is in line with WP:V and WP:NOR. I am closing this discussion accordingly. Sjakkalle (Check!)  20:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Plucky Brit

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Seems like WP:NOTDICT. Found this article while trying to de-orphan, only other mention of this phrase relates to a military serviceman so definition is not even accurate. Orange sticker (talk) 15:24, 29 March 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Language, Sports, Olympics, Sport of athletics,  and United Kingdom.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  16:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  16:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Agree on deletion, which is unfortunate because someone took the time to source this well and I think it's a good article but it doesn't really fit Wikipedia's mission.
 * UptonSincere (talk) 07:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Very sorry, this made me realise I hadn't notified the creator of this article - rectified now. Orange sticker (talk) 08:08, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Move and inter-wiki redirect to plucky Brit, I think most of this article could be salvaged on Wiktionary. The quotes and references could be used as attestations. That way the work wouldn't go to waste. --Habst (talk) 23:17, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete the quotes in the article doesn't even say "plucky Brits", they say "[British] plucky losers" which I think Wikitionary would consider to be a different phrase. D'n'B-t -- 15:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @DandelionAndBurdock, thanks, what do you think about adding that specific quote to plucky then, and adding the rest of the references (which do specifically say "plucky brit") to plucky Brit? --Habst (talk) 18:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'd support adding that particular quote and others to plucky: the sources suggest to me that the word plucky is an adjective that can be applied to "looser", "sports team" and "Italian" just as easily as Brit. Maybe an entry could also be created for Plucky Brit in particular but not being familiar with Wikit's inclusion policies I shaln't comment on that. -- D'n'B-t -- 19:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:ATD: Merge into Stereotypes of British people, which seems like a good category for this sort of topic. --Habst (talk) 19:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Habst, you present two different outcomes you'd like to see happen. Could you cross out the one that is your "less preferred" choice? Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 20:04, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Liz, thank you. Given that there is some consensus for my first proposed outcome, I will cross out this one. But I wouldn't really say I have a preference for either, I think they are both good outcomes. --Habst (talk) 20:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.