Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pocahontas Middle School (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   boldly redirect to Henrico County Public Schools. Neutralitytalk 22:16, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Pocahontas Middle School
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Fails WP:ORG, WP:SCH, no claim of notability.  " Pepper "   @ 14:09, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Henrico County Public Schools per established consensus for run of the mill middle schools. I removed an unreferenced section called "Cliques" that was full of the sort of nasty gossip that some middle school students enjoy.   Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  15:26, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:21, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:22, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Redirect or delete - no evidence of notability e.g. not a blue ribbon school. --Bob Re-born (talk) 21:22, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Point of order, the school received the Blue Ribbon award in 2006 (see here p. 45). Sailsbystars (talk) 23:25, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think that there is established consensus that winning a Blue Ribbon award once is enough to make a middle school notable. Over 5000 schools have won that award.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  01:01, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - meets WP:GNG. The Blue Ribbon award is the highest honour a US school can be awarded and fewer than 5% of schools obtain it. This school's concept of a 'school within a school' has become a model for many other schools.. The school has been the subject of a lawsuit to keep it open. etc. TerriersFan (talk) 03:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I am changing my vote to keep now that it is clear the school has won a blue ribbon award. --Bob Re-born (talk) 06:33, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per standard practice for non-notable primary schools. Winning a hokey pokey bureaucratic award (given to THOUSANDS of schools) does not constitute grounds for per se notability in opposition to clear and long-established precedent. These awards tend to be awarded to the schools of the wealthy (skewing encyclopedia content on a class basis). In addition this award is thoroughly American-centric — creating an exemption for American institutions not available to others around the world. Carrite (talk) 01:08, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - It's also a terrible and largely unsourced stub, so nothing of import will be lost by deletion. Carrite (talk) 01:14, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:GNG.Stuartyeates (talk) 02:55, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - for this comment to have validity will you please explain why the sources available do meet that guideline? TerriersFan (talk) 02:59, 24 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Henrico County Public Schools per long-standing consensus on primary schools. Eluchil404 (talk) 22:33, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:ORG. Redirect to Henrico County Public Schools as above per the standing procedure for non-primary schools. The Blue Ribbon award is about as notable and distinguished as junk mail. Trusilver  23:54, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep There seems to be more news coverage then would normally be expected for a run-of-the-mill middle school, and a decent amount of the coverage is not that sort routine coverage a middle school would get just by virtue of existing within a community. While middle schools are not automatically notable, this one appears to pass the WP:GNG. Monty  845  16:09, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, causa sui (talk) 17:22, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisting comment While precedent has been to delete or redirect articles like this, keep !voters are contending that this is an exceptional circumstance. It would be helpful if arguments to delete would attempt to explicitly refute these arguments instead of ignoring them (as if we are voting in booths, unaware of what others are saying.) causa sui (talk) 17:24, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Henrico County Public Schools. Per AFD common outcomes, this is the usual course for middle schools. The "Blue Ribbon" award is given out far too freely for it to make this one an exception. Fails WP:ORG, the applicable notability standard. Edison (talk) 18:45, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep In full agreence with User:Monty845. – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 20:48, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree it does seem to get a lot of coverage. There is one news article appearing in the Google news archive search that says another school was modeled after it.   D r e a m Focus  02:05, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - now added to an expanded page. TerriersFan (talk) 02:59, 24 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep per Monty and others. The award clinches it for me, as that's a clear sign of notability. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 14:02, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - It would be nice if people actually looked up the blue ribbon award before deciding it makes the school notable. The Blue Ribbon Award is almost routine, the award criteria is hilariously low. There are three elementary schools in the town where I live, four in the next town, going up one exit on the freeway there are three more. All ten of these schools have at some point been given the "Blue Ribbon Award". In order to get this award, all the school needs to do is show an improving trend in test scores which put the school in the top 40% for the state. Plus... once a school gets the award, they are forever able to call themselves a "Blue Ribbon School". So seriously... are you all HONESTLY suggesting that an award which HALF of all elementary schools have is enough to make it notable? Trusilver  16:21, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, it's been a few weeks since someone called me an idiot, so thank you for that. I don't think the award means that the school is notable. But it is a piece of the puzzle. What I said was that the award had clinched it for me - it pushed me from a borderline weak keep to a keep. The point Monty made, and the one that I echoed in my comment, was that there seemed to be more coverage of this school than other schools of its type - and that itself is sufficient to keep. The award added to that. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 18:57, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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