Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poekoelan Tjimindie Tulen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete both this and Poekoelan. Glass  Cobra  22:17, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Poekoelan Tjimindie Tulen

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Fails WP:V (no reliable third-party sources) and also appears to fail WP:MANOTE. I did a Google search and found a bunch of random webpages, but nothing that I would consider a reliable source. Google Books shows 1 passing mention in Black Belt magazine. Google News archives show 5 passing mentions but nothing in detail. Unless reliable sources focusing on this subject can be provided, the article should be deleted. *** Crotalus *** 16:20, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 22:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Comment: If this is to be deleted (and sadly, I had difficulty finding things on Google apart from one link), please also consider taking care of Poekoelan which I think is similar (or the exact same) to the above. Oh and the link I found was this:. Please assess whether the ref is adequate or not. There is also a pretty lengthy blog article about it but again I don't think it would make the cut in saving this article.Calaka (talk) 14:35, 20 September 2009 (UTC) Comment: This article is primarily based on what I and others were taught as we studied this art. As it is a martial art, most of the information about it can not be learned on the internet but by studying the art itself (by that I mean, actually learning to fight). A great deal of the history of this art is passed orally from teacher to student. Also, by simply exploring poekoelan.com for about ten seconds you can find about 90% of the information that is contained in this article. I am in no way a skilled wikipedia user, but rather a major reader and an occasional editor, which is why this article is not very well put together. I am also somewhat shocked that the major editors of wikipedia (the people who actually know what they are doing) would rather delete an article than try and improve it by doing about ten seconds worth of research.legoman (talk) 21:00, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Legoman, you stated that the "article is primarily based on what I and others were taught as we studied this art." You may not realize this, but what you have described is unverifiable original research, which is considered outside the goals of Wikipedia. If your concern is with ensuring that this information is published somewhere, you may wish to consider either your own website, or perhaps Wikibooks which has a more inclusive mission that might be appropriate for your goals. *** Crotalus *** 14:19, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

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