Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poison Ivy (Ivy League Gentrification)


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The result was  Delete--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 07:02, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Poison Ivy (Ivy League Gentrification)

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neologism without common parlance, POV, Wikipedia is not a dictionary, Wikipedia is not for things made up one day, even if it is a Pulitzer finalist Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

others where allowing this to stand that to give it some time to develop because it is a serious issue in the USA. Can you explain why they are letting it grow and you want to delete. --Happypixie (talk) 14:44, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

This article should not be deleted. I think it can either be added to the Causes area of gentrification. Or could minus the Catch Phrase Poison Ivy and have it titled Ivy League Gentrification. I believe that I have enough proof of it not being neologism but a phraze a Pulitzer Finalist Graham Rayman of The Village Voice description in 2007 of Ivy League gentrification, shown in the attached ref. I think that the notability was established with he ref but can be expanded with time(stub right?). As far a being personal view...gentrification in general is a personal view depending on if you are a resident of the city or a developer that is removing said residents...that is why gentrification is hard to stop. As far as orphaned it has be attached to several articles. And can be used in many more article with similar topics. As an example. What are your thoughts??--Happypixie (talk) 15:47, 7 June 2010 (UTC) I am going to post this link on the discussion page and also forward it to a few other editors THIS IS NOT MADE UP I have verifiable proof! --Happypixie (talk) 15:55, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

No one has reviewd this yet what does that mean???--Happypixie (talk) 22:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I do not want to move this without someones ok...can I move it to a new title??? "Ivy League Gentrification" So that it will not be "neologism. The info contained in the article is good info.--Happypixie (talk) 00:02, 8 June 2010 (UTC) Saved all the info I noticed that this has been voted by the guy that out it up 100& that is sad considering the info in the article is good...and the fact that NOT one other person has reviewed this. shamful but ifo is saved off line--71.235.86.242 (talk) 03:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)--71.235.86.242 (talk) 03:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)--71.235.86.242 (talk) 03:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete based on current title and content. The article seems to overemphasize the fact that Ivy League universities are involved in gentrification of their neighborhoods. However, a university doesn't have to be a member of the Ivy League to support gentrification. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:26, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Although the article title has been changed from the original title, I still consider the title as revised to be unsatisfactory for the same reason described above. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 13:55, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * hmm ok metropolotan so you are gentrifing my article base on the title and the fact that the content is not what you see to be a cause — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.86.242 (talk • contribs)

Look at EX in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification#Gentrifier_types Gentrification article under subtitle Genrifiers...this article should at least be moved to this section. Or you have to remove "gay men" and "artists" Because I see it as Ivy league Universitys or aka to put it more genericic Universitys in general are totally gentrifyers like gay men and artists....your thoughts --71.235.86.242 (talk) 10:38, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Removed any reference to Poison Ivy in title and article. This was what was in question as being Neologism. Now it is gone. So that is not an issue with the article anymore. And should be taken off the delete list--Happypixie (talk) 10:56, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to town and gown or gentrification. I don't see substantial evidence--except by the editorial choice of specific examples--that it's specific to Ivy League host cities. The discussed ideas sound common to many college-towns.. Heck, even the lede gives Berkley as a cited example--what Ivy is on the west coast? As written, article is hopelessly and intrinsically editorially biased. DMacks (talk) 14:39, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. Actually, as DMacks notes, there is a shred of useful RS content mentioned in this article (about the impact of universities on the character of surrounding urban neighborhoods) that could be incorporated into town and gown and/or gentrification, but the current article is a mess of errors, original research, and POV that is not at all appropriate for merger into those other articles. If additional the topic is to be added to those other articles, it would be better to start from scratch to write the new content. My apologies to Happypixie -- I tried to help you avoid the confrontational situation of an AfD by userfying your page and offering some suggestions, but it didn't work out. --Orlady (talk) 14:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

And as stated in another area.. Gentrification is a matter of what side you stand on. Residents feel it is gentrification when a university takes all the cities property's (mainly tax exempt) putting the burden on the non tax exempt properties. Where developers feel it is urban renewal. So the term gentrification:the process of renewal and rebuilding accompanying the influx of middle-class or affluent people into deteriorating areas that often displaces poorer residents. Has its benefactors and its victims. Cities that have University's are transient at most and there for investor see them as areas that when developed the temporary residents have little or no choice but to pay inflated rental fees. So yes it is one sided in that sense. You can say that hitler was one sided, you can say Rwanda was one sided. Not that this even compares to them... but every story has two sides and two reasons. --Happypixie (talk) 14:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Happypixie (talk • contribs)
 * Godwin's law? In an AfD? DMacks (talk) 15:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Orlady thank you I know you did...but this is still kind of fun :) Hey I have the info saved here on my computer and worse case is I build on it over time and make a better case for it. I did change the Title and removed the Poison Ivy part. DMacks is right Ivy League not really a factor in SF but Birkley has had its toll on the community and yes it has other gentrification factors.  I Personally work for a Developer in New Haven YALE and I am seeing it first hand. On the development side because I am getting paid to do it. But I live here to and I am watching familys that have lived here being pushed out by higher taxes as more and more tax exempt properties are erected, and the professional staff that fills them replacing the diverse  community. Personally my property value is rising like crazy so I am making out big time. But it does not mean that standing up for the gentrified part of the population is not my duty... or my boss says, as long as our company's name is not brought into it what ever you do after work is your undertaking.  So I fight for those who do not have a voice.--Happypixie (talk) 15:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete -- WP:Original research and WP:SYNTHESIS.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:24, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * SarelPfVblah I belive I have enough links to varifiable sources??? How many more do I need?? --Happypixie (talk) 16:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not how many sources you have, it's that you're putting them together to create a new topic. See my link to Sythesis above.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * good point I see, but then would it not also apply to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification#Gentrifier_types Understanding that Penn took over the city pushed out the diverse residents and even went as far as to rename the city to University City, or that Yale has bought up all avalible land and now is trying to shut down the highway so they can build on that land (link attached to story) or that Columbia is attempting eminent domine to just acquire West Harlem altogether (in court as we speak). Harvard and Brown did theres years ago but Brown's take over is a model for Yale which I was privy to a lecture on this and there development plans. This to me is all facts of the adverse effect of gentrification on city's that house university's. Again gentrification is one sided depending on which side you belong. As showen i the link I at the start Gaymen and artist are Gentrifier's should those be deleted to???? Because I am sure the gaymen and artist would say they where not Thoughts???--Happypixie (talk) 17:08, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

So this may need to be moved to that page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studentization or it can be added to my page. As a "term used to discribe it" --Happypixie (talk) 13:17, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * looks like there is another term for this studenfication Here is a study on University host city's being gentrified. http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=eNrodEJwbqEC&oi=fnd&pg=PA72&dq=university+towns+and+gentrification&ots=eyuNjO3M9C&sig=KUS6Bjfs-V3JhmB_wfFuWgPWMrY#v=onepage&q=university%20towns%20and%20gentrification&f=false
 * Comment: Studentization is a statistical technique that has nothing to do with this topic. --Orlady (talk) 13:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I must be reading this study wrong Page 72 -73 http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=eNrodEJwbqEC&oi=fnd&pg=PA72&dq=university+towns+and+gentrification&ots=eyuNjO3M9C&sig=KUS6Bjfs-V3JhmB_wfFuWgPWMrY#v=onepage&q=university%20towns%20and%20gentrification&f=false--Happypixie (talk) 14:37, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The title of the chapter you are citing says "Studentification", not "Studentization". Studentification is already a disambiguation page which links the meaning you are talking about to College town. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 14:52, 11 June 2010 (UTC)


 * opps sorry ....yeah that....:) So then the question still is the info and refs in the article still notable and if so where.. so they can be edited appropriately....suggestions?--Happypixie (talk) 15:46, 11 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - clearcut original research and synthesis, with a side order of WP:NEO in pushing the catchphrase "Poison Ivy". -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  19:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Orange Mike did you even read it? NO! Because the title has been changed and any reference to Poison Ivy is gone...Nice and real honest criticism?--Happypixie (talk) 01:55, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
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