Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pokémon Movie 13


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The result was delete. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 17:26, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon Movie 13

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I can't find any reliable third party sources for this movie.  TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 02:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Neutral - Where exactly would you get sources for anime movies? Games have IGN and such. There is no doubt that this will be notable. and there is no doubt this doesnt exist because there is an official website. I guess you could merge it to Pokémon (anime). Look at the other films though. Many of them probably have no reliable third party sources. They source the official site, bulbanews, and pokeani. That doesn't mean they aren't notable though. Its just nobody talks about them much, so it is hard to find sources. Blake (Talk·Edits) 03:40, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Reviews of the movie, news updates, etc. I can't find any reliable source online that states this movie even exists.  The only thing I can find are fansites, wikis, and the official site (WP:PRIMARY).   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 03:45, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Like I said though, many of the other movies are of the same status. They dont have any reliable third party sources. That doesnt mean they should be deleted. Half of Wikipedia doesnt have reliable sources. They stay because they are not trivial subjects that dont need to be covered. Ignore all rules? Blake (Talk·Edits) 03:47, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of reliable sources for anime works. The anime/manga project has a list of online ones and a library of magazines and book sources owned by project members available. There are dozens of anime/manga books available. Notable series are covered by reliable sources, as can easily be seen by featured level anime articles. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 02:31, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, as stated below, the Pokemon Project isnt very experienced with finding anime/movie sources. We mainly focus on the games. So if that project would help us, them maybe we could actually have better movie articles. Blake (Talk·Edits) 04:02, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - Though we know a film is being made from a teaser trailer at the end of the last movie, that's pretty much all we know. And having a page which says "This movie is being made" just doesn't cut it. It can be recreated when we have some concrete information on it (title, release date, and even a plot summary or pre-production notes would be nice). There's no point in having an article when there is almost no information on the topic at hand. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:49, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. The article can be re-created once independent reliable sources are available. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete pure WP:crystal article without any independent sources and thus to delete. --hroest 08:37, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep and reduce to verified information This isn't a speculated future film or sequal, it's a confirmed 2010 film currently in production. Stubify, and expand when more information is released. 84.92.117.93 (talk) 19:17, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you provide sources that show that the movie is confirmed?  TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 20:48, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The official site would be a good start. and I am sure that it is confirmed by reliables sources, but as I said in my original statement where would you find such sources?... Please find a source on any of the other Pokemon movie articles and tell me where it is. Blake (Talk·Edits) 21:15, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Pokémon_4Ever, for example. Please remember that notability is not inherited.  The left orium  21:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Rottentomatoes, IMBD (for some things, as I know some is user-submitted, wiki style), for the first movie, newspapers (as shown in the first movie as well).   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 21:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem with the majority of the Pokémon films is that little work is put into them beyond plot and cast. Most of the Pokémon WikiProject's efforts go into the species and games articles, and the Films WikiProject doesn't do much more than assess. Sources can and will be found if more people, myself included, put the effort into them. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 21:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * BAM! There it is! A reliable third party source talking about the movie on the Anime News Network, which you just verified a reliable source above. Blake (Talk·Edits) 23:06, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course, alone that one source does not meet notability for a future film. It would be usable for noting in the appropriate Film list section in the main article that another film is in production, but it isn't enough for a whole article. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 04:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if I found another source, which I am sure it is out there, it would just have most of the same information. Blake (Talk·Edits) 14:11, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete fails Future Film notability criteria. Not in production and its title is tentative at best (apparently has already been used for that franchise). Way too soon. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 02:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. — --  Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 02:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. — --  Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 02:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete When more information comes out and it is more confirmed than ok remake the article, but for now delete. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice for now. A 13th Pokémon film appears to be in the works, but Wikipedia can happily wait until there is more. Heck... they have not even decided on a name yet. Just a tad too soon to be on Wikipedia.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 02:49, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Because it's Pokemon. Ok, I'm kidding.
 * Just per above, no confirmation, no name, nothing verifiable at this moment. --Anime Addict AA (talk) 00:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. From WP:CRYSTAL: "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." Let's see: 12 profitable previous movies, an announcement in said movies, an official website, coverage by ANN and Japanese periodicals... Opposing it for lack of a name is like opposing United States presidential election, 2012 because we don't know the name of the Republican nominee. --Gwern (contribs) 16:55 14 November 2009 (GMT)
 * that comparison is just ridiculous and I hope you know it. For one to not happen, some funding / management decisions have to be made, for the other not to occur one of the biggest democratic countries would have to collapse. It is enough to have an article about the movie AFTER it is out. --hroest 08:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It definitely wont be after the movie is out. It will be after another announcement comes up that gives more information. I think I would be fine with redirecting it to Pokémon (anime)'s movie section until said announcement comes up. Blake (Talk·Edits) 18:20, 15 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete A thirteenth movie may indeed be in the works, but until actual information about the film is available from reliable sources it should not get a page. Reach Out to the Truth 21:16, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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