Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poland–Uruguay relations


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There seems to be an overwhelming consensus to delete and so I did. The sources presented by Cool3 may be good enough to make something out of this article, but I'm not entirely convinced. If he feels he can write something that abides by the guidelines about this, I will gladly userfy this article. —Admiral Norton (talk) 20:01, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Poland–Uruguay relations

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We've recently deleted a lot of articles on bilateral relations of countries that don't have embassies with each other; see for instance Articles for deletion/Albanian-Moldovan relations. Now let's try taking things a step further. Poland and Uruguay do have embassies. They do pay rent on an embassy and do pay diplomats to do something, presumably more than sitting in the embassy compound and watching videos. I don't deny that. However:
 * There are no cultural, political or territorial ties between the two, and very few economic ones - after all, they're on opposite sides of the world, and neither is a major power capable of projecting much influence that far afield.
 * The existence of the embassies - which is precisely what this "article" details (nothing more) - is documented at Diplomatic missions of Uruguay and Diplomatic missions of Poland.
 * It is telling that the site of the Polish Embassy in Uruguay (, for those who can read some Spanish) has approximately zero to say about this relationship. It says a lot about Poland, but basically nil about its relationship with Uruguay. Other sources are not forthcoming, either in English, in Spanish or, as far as I can tell, in Polish. If that's all there is, we may as well be satisfied with mention in the "Diplomatic missions of..." articles.
 * Yes, the embassy site does inform us that Poland's Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister visited Uruguay for two days in 2007, but a) that's not a very high-level position b) I'm not claiming they have no relationship, just not one meaningful enough to have a separate article for, and the visit doesn't do much to establish notability.

With this in mind, I think the case for deletion is strong. Biruitorul Talk 15:31, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - no real relations of which to speak. No reliable, secondary, independent sources given. Mention in "Diplomatic missions of..." should be just fine.  Jd 027  (talk) 15:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:N--I could not find non-trivial coverage of this topic in independent secondary sources. Embassies or not, there needs to be sources if we're going to have an article on this. Yilloslime T C  16:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - Just because the two countries have an embassy in the other country doesn't make a relationship notable. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) | (talk to me) | (What I've done)  19:12, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree that the mere presence of embassies does not indicate that there is anything noteworthy about the relations between the two nations. That type of information is adequately covered in the articles about the foreign relations of the two nations.  Mandsford (talk) 20:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable.  ♪Tempo  di Valse ♪  20:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete as per precedents. Dahn (talk) 22:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. There's history between the two.  A high-ranking Polish official fled to Uruguay (many years back) causing some tension .  Culturally, there is a Polish film that focuses on the life of the Polish Ambassador to Uruguay . Uruguay hosts a Polish expatriate community, with over 1000 Poles in Montevideo alone.  It;s just a forum, but here is more discussion of Poles in Uruguay .  There is a "Days of Uruguayan Cuisine and Wine" held in Warsaw . After an attempt to close the Polish embassy in Uruguay "tempers flared", indicating that many in Poland value the relationship .  To put it quite simply, while it's never going to be an article of the length of US-Russia relations or something similar, Poland and Uruguay have a relationship documented in reliable sources.  We can write a neutral, verifiable article on their relationship, and that is the true standard for inclusion. Cool3 (talk) 23:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) That a Polish diplomat in the US happened to flee to Uruguay is, if anything, more a function of Polish-US relations than of Polish-Uruguayan relations.
 * 2) If the film (which is fictional) is notable (and it may well be, as Zanussi is a pretty well-known director), it makes much more sense to have an article on Persona non Grata (2005 film).
 * 3, 5) I didn't say they had no relations, but a book fair and a wine tasting are not exactly notable in the field of international relations.
 * 4) A forum is, well, a forum, and as the book fair link says, there are "few" Uruguayan citizens of Polish origin. If they're really notable, that's reason to create a Poles in Uruguay article, not to keep this one. By the way, I didn't see mention of the "over 1000" number.
 * 6) Let's provide the full context: "tempers flared" because "more than 10 Polish embassies, including those in Costa Rica, Yemen, Tanzania and Uruguay" were slated to close. Nothing indicates the relationship with Uruguay in particular was the cause of flared-up tempers; the matter is far more an internal dispute between the Polish President and Foreign Minister than an expression of attachment to the relationship with Uruguay. - Biruitorul Talk 03:34, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator.--Yannismarou (talk) 14:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep This one has content. DGG (talk) 01:32, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete well this one doesn't have much content, others similar articles on AFD does. Secret account 11:49, 2 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Secretalt (talk • contribs)
 * Keep - notability established the usual way. Sources unearthed by Cool3 are more than sufficient.  No argument for deletion exists. Wily D  14:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - although i appreciate the effort to bring arguments to keep it. it's commendable. but come on:


 * Poland-Uruguay relations are foreign relations between Poland and Uruguay. Poland has an embassy in Montevideo. Uruguay has an embassy in Warsaw.
 * See also
 * Foreign relations of Poland
 * Foreign relations of Uruguay
 * External links
 * Direction of the Polish embassy in Montevideo
 * Direction of the Uruguayan embassy in Warsaw

You can not be serious about keeping this as an article. I suggest first to have an article Poles of Uruguay, and only if that is deemed worth existance, re-consider re-creating this one, too. Dc76\talk 22:49, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.