Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poland Digital Songs


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Black Kite (talk) 00:04, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Poland Digital Songs

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(all issue also relevant to subarticles: List of Poland Digital Songs number-one hits of 2011, List of Poland Digital Songs number-one hits of 2012). No assertion of notability, primary sources, seems rather spamish. I would suggest that editors more knowledgeable about music review the entire Template:Billboard. It seems that most Billboard charts have articles, all suffering from similar issues - poorly referenced, no claim of notability, stubbish and spamish. What makes them notable? If they are not, should they be deleted or merged into the Billboard charts? This discussion may need to be restarted as a multi-nomination after some discussion, targeting all the other charts. Creator of most of those articles is, who keeps removing notability and other tags, and deprodding them. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 00:12, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. The individual Billboard charts are fine as standalone articles, since merging them would create far too large of an article. One of the criteria for WP:BAND is "has a charted single or album", so it makes sense to have articles on the major charts. Number ones on an individual chart are an appropriate topic for a list as well, since the criterion for inclusion is merely "did this song go to number one?". Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 01:28, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * First, with most of them being stubs, I don't see why merged is an impossibility. If not into a full article, then at least into the categories seen as the row headings in the template (urban, rock, country, etc.). Second, I am still not convinced that the lists are notable at all. That subject A makes subject B notable does not confer notability from B to A; for example, an academic concept may be notable because it is mentioned in numerous academic articles, none of which are notable by themselves (read: song is notable because it is listed in rankings, but that doesn't mean the ranking have to be notable). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 20:31, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Billboard publishes hundreds of charts. Do you think that it's necessary to include a list of number ones on each chart? Several years of precedent say yes. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:03, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Necessary for what? We are hosting encyclopedic articles, not supportive materials. The question here is how are those lists notable, not whether they benefit articles on Wikipedia. If they do and need to be preserved or such, there are other projects that could help (wikisource?). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 22:28, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 02:14, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 02:14, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per TPH. Poland has a decent-sized music industry, so we can and should cover the major charts.  Nominator's stated intention to go after Billboard charts en masse sounds like, frankly, a bad idea. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  03:55, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. I disagree that every chart in Billboard is notable just because Billboard is notable. That's a bit WP:INHERIT. While I can agree that it makes sense to have articles on the major charts, there is nothing in this article, nor do I believe, that this is a major chart. I can be proven wrong with some reliable third party sources. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 07:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * "Major" chart is entirely subjective. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:03, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * True, which discredits both keep arguments about having articles on all major charts. Thus, the notability of this and similar charts comes down to coverage in reliable third-party sources. Just being a chart in Billboard doesn't cut it. A merge to Billboard charts is a reasonable alternative. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 22:43, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You really expect some several dozen charts to all be redirected? Do you have any idea how friggin' long the page would be? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:33, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No, but this AfD for Poland Digital Songs not some several dozen charts. This one can be redirected if not deleted. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 16:19, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Judging by Poland Digital Songs, not very. But feel free to cite the longest counterexamples. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 03:32, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hot 100, Hot AC, Hot Country Songs, etc. etc. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 05:03, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hot Country simply redirects to List of number-one country hits (United States). I see nothing precluding us from upmerging those articles into the ones which currently begin the row. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk to me 18:49, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Piotrus has the right idea here.  The problem is not the songs that chart on these charts, it is the charts themselves, which are groupings created by the Nielsen ranking system:  they rank songs and provide these statistical data to customers for commerical gain, so Nielsen's customers can use these data for marketing purposes for commerical gain.  Essentially these articles are articles on these groupings?  Billboard, the company, is notable.  These groupings are not.  The other articles should be deleted, as Piotrus has pointed out.Curb Chain (talk) 07:41, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Unlike the other international Digital Songs charts by Nielsen, this one is only listed in the archives drop-down menu on Billboard.biz and not on the site's main international charts page. Plus, it only has one song each week, not 10 like the other ones. I think even Billboard is treating it as a sort of a test chart for the time being.Widr (talk) 14:43, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.