Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Police forces of Wales


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to List of police forces of the United Kingdom. as an ATD. Liz Read! Talk! 01:35, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Police forces of Wales

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Low-quality article, basically just a list of the four police forces in Wales which some minor copy and paste information and history and the BTP and then some minor discussion about a potential merger. Note that there is no such article for England, which is much larger and has many more police forces.

Overall article is fluff. Elshad (talk) 12:49, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Police and Wales. Shellwood (talk) 15:52, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * There is plenty of scope to improve the article including the state of policing in Wales and debates on the devolution of policing and on an all-Wales police force. Where would info on these topics go if this article were to be deleted?
 * Perhaps a better action would be to rename the article "Policing in Wales" and improve it.
 * Examples of potential additional sources for improvement;
 * ,, , Titus Gold (talk) 22:17, 17 September 2023 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Titus Gold (talk • contribs)  is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
 * Keep, unnecessary deletion. If there is an issue about paraphrasing then please attempt to rewrite, deletion isn't the solution. The article holds merit because of it's accumulation of information. Cltjames (talk) 08:01, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment would be happy with a move to Policing in Wales. Elshad (talk) 09:27, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Suggest you could withdraw the nomination and request speedy close, and then start a WP:RM move discussion on the page. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:00, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Redirect to List of police forces of the United Kingdom – the exact topic, police forces (not generalised policing), is not clearly notable separately and may be a fork. Welsh police forces aren't majorly different from those in England by law, so better served in a UK article when specifically on police forces. The content of this article is overwhelmingly copy-and-pasted content, word by word, from the leads of the four police forces with no new content (to justify a separate article), with an extra sentence or two. The only prospect of an article under this title is a list of four entries, which would better redirect to a UK list. Supportive, in principle, of a "Law enforcement/Policing in Wales" article (as suggested above, with citations on the generalised topic), but I don't see any current content in this article being retained in an article on that topic (content here is already at the police forces' articles), outside just listing the four forces and the extra two sentences already which can be elsewhere. If that article is made (even by me), likely a re-start, then this can be redirected there when that time comes. (Does this divergent vote, prevent a suggested withdrawal now?)  Dank Jae  20:08, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Upon further review, I agree with the above reasoning, and would prefer a delete with a new article being created later if sufficient material found. Elshad (talk) 10:01, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting as their are opinions to Keep, Delete and Redirect this article (looking beyond bolded statement). Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:56, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of police forces of the United Kingdom - Per DankJae. There is no need for this hived off article, and that article contains the substantive topic. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:11, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - it would be helpful if the AfD nominator were to put up valid grounds for deletion. The nomination seems to be based on the quality of the article rather than deletion policy, see WP:DEL. Without such reason(s) it's difficult to give an opinion and there may be cause for a procedural keep. Rupples (talk) 19:59, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect to List of police forces of the United Kingdom as a plausible search term. The map could be merged if people find it useful.  Eluchil404 (talk) 07:28, 1 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.