Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Polisen i Strömstad


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) TheChronium  07:02, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Polisen i Strömstad

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Non-notable ROTM television series from Sweden; may be notable in the Swedish context, but no real reason to exist on enwiki as this appears not to have had international distribution. In any case, the article is virtually unreferenced, and a search finds nothing that would come close to sigcov (plenty of hits, yes, but they're from programme listings, retailers, etc., and some of actual police stories), hence fails WP:GNG. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:23, 3 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Also nominating the following related page on the same grounds:


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:23, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:23, 3 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment. Per GNG, sources do not have to be written in English. If it is notable in Sweden per WP:GNG, then it is notable enough for inclusion here even if no one outside of Sweden has ever heard of it. However, I can't speak to whether it is notable in Sweden per WP:GNG; I don't speak Swedish. BilledMammal (talk) 07:09, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'm aware of notability requirements and non-English-language sources. My comment about lack of international distribution was meant (perhaps not very clearly) to make the point that while this may be a TV series that readers of the Swedish wiki will immediately recognise and presume notability (rightly or wrongly), that presumption does not apply on other language wikis. As for finding Swedish sources, I do speak Swedish, but could not find anything worth mentioning, although I did not go to any great efforts to search only in Swedish. More than happy for anyone to disprove my nom by providing sufficient sources, whether in English or på svenska. :) --DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:02, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep -- this seems to be a clear case where there's issues with finding online sources due to digitization being incomplete further back, but it is *highly likely* that reliable sources exist offline for a nationally broadcast series of five seasons on the primary national public broadcaster. WP:NTV indicates this -- and yes, I know there are some issues with taking the presumed notability of this too far sometimes, but in this case, it seems likely to be true. matt91486 (talk) 15:58, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think you can argue that "there must be sources, even if we can't find any" (or something to that effect), because that could apply to most things and defeat the whole notability question. Also, the last season was first aired in 1996, and many newspaper etc. archives (at least in countries like Sweden) go back further than that. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:22, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand your point, but I disagree -- I think these are cases where the guidelines like NTV are most applicable. This was something broadcast on the biggest national public broadcaster over 15 years, and as you mention, is still quite frequently incidentally mentioned in passing quite later. This is one of the reasons we have a major chronological bias to coverage on Wikipedia. matt91486 (talk) 02:52, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd just like to note that most accessible digital newspaper archives in Sweden are very bad at covering the 90s. There's a lot being digitalised by the Royal Library, but it's largely inaccessible to the public due to copyright. To access their collection I'd have to go to the university library in the neighbouring city, book an hour at their "newspaper computer" (one computer with access, at one of the largest universities in the country) and search there. /Julle (talk) 10:38, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, very popular television series, leaving a far bigger footprint behind than most things being shown on television. I've added a few sources, using sv:Mediearkivet. /Julle (talk) 10:17, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


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