Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Polish rouble


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  14:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Polish rouble

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The term "rubel polski", "polski rubel", don't seem to exist in Polish literature (I checked on Google Books and Scholar). This article has no Polish interwiki, nor could I find this term anywhere in Polish Wikipedia. English term is very rare. This notes that such a concept was floated in 1916 but never realized. This Polish work notes that from 1841 Russian rouble started to replace the older Polish currency (Poland was at that time mostly occupied or puppetized by Russia). The best treatment we have is Russian Wikipedia which pretty much confirms that this was just a note issued by the Polish Bank for about two decades: ru:Рубль Польского банка. Given that the concept doesn't even seem to have an established name in Polish or English, notability of this is dubious (there is a slight chance Russian sources cover this in depth). Overall, I have serious concern this is a poorly referenced mistinterpretation of some other sources, such as a general reference to the fact that Congress Poland used roubles - a fact which doesn't need a dedicated article, and can be mentioned under Congress_Poland. In other words, there never was such a thing as a "Polish rouble" (the term is hardly used), instead there were regular roubles issued by Bank of Poland in Congress Poland for ~2 decades (perhaps they were visibly distingushable and are of interest to collectors, but even that isn't made apparent from the sources I found and is just my speculation). I'll ping User:Volunteer Marek who IIRC is interested in Polish economic history. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Economics and Poland. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  11:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - It seems like the article is admitting that Poland used the Russian rouble, supplemented by some number of Polish banknotes issued in terms of roubles. Regardless of whether such banknotes were printed, it is not a distinct currency; it's ultimately just Poland's use of Russia's currency. If the term is not used, a redirect is improper. However, if there is enough usage to warrant it, a redirect to the history section of Polish złoty may be warranted, as is discussed Poland's use of the rouble. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  17:08, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @El cid, el campeador Złoty would not be the right target. Currency of Poland would be, although indeed that's just a redirect there. Pl wiki has pl:Gatunki pieniądza na ziemiach polskich, which doesn't seem fully comprehensive; it only mentions in passing that in 1842 rouble was introduced in Poland, without any detail. There is also pl:Systemy monetarne w Polsce, that one seems much better. A section of interest to us is pl:Systemy_monetarne_w_Polsce. Apparently pl wiki has a ton of articles about individual coins and such, not sure if they are all notable (ex. pl:½ kopiejki srebrem 1848 MW). Anyway, there is pl:Banknoty Banku Polskiego (1841–1866), pl:Monety rosyjsko-warszawskie and pl:Monety rosyjsko-polskie. Bottom line, it does seems like the currency of the Congress Poland is of interest to some, and there may be something to write, but the concept of the "Polish rouble" is incorrect. I think the article on Currency of Congress Poland would have merit, but there is hardly anything (referenced) to merge from the stub we are discussing (which, again, seems to confuse the introduction of Russian Imperial rouble in Poland with the introduction of a new, independent currency). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:38, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per excellent reasearch and reasoning of nominator. I trust to have checked the Polish sources; the few English ones are truly not convincing. Whether other articles should include a mention of Russian rubles being used in Poland I'll leave to the editors interested; but since the article at hand contains nothing salvageable, we can just delete. --LordPeterII (talk) 23:03, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


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