Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Polite Sleeper (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   withdrawn.  Thanks to Doomsdayer520 for his work on the article. More participation to ensure there's no COI problem would be welcome, but any further discussion can continue on the talk page. Chick Bowen 01:46, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Polite Sleeper
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This was previously deleted and then reviewed at Deletion review/Log/2009 December 26, but was recreated before that debate concluded. It should get another full review. I am not certain this band meets the requirements of WP:Notability (music); that guideline suggests that a band's label should be established, and Sabotage seems to be, as far as I can tell, about two years old or so. Note that I am listing this here in my editorial capacity, not as part of the close of the DRV, if that matters. Chick Bowen 04:07, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I am the author of the original version of the page and the author who recreated it. If I recreated it in a manner contrary to Wikipedia guidelines, it's because I'm a new editor and apparently didn't understand the deletion review process. I will reiterate the reasoning I gave during the first deletion review on why I believe the band meets notoriety criteria in WP:BAND. Note that the notability for a band states that only ONE of the following apply.
 * Some notable reviews for their latest album are here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and several others.
 * Their latest album reached #177 on the U.S. national College Music Journal charts.
 * All three of their albums were released on Sabotage Records, which has existed since 2001 and has released albums by Japanther, Team Robespierre, and Autistic Youth. Incidentally, I'm not sure how Chick Bowen determined that Sabotage is "about two years old or so", given that they did not include a citation. Mcurtes (talk) 04:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * My apologies for my mistake; that info was not at the other website. Incidentally, would you mind confirming whether you have a vested interest in the band? Our conflict of interest policy says, "Editors with COIs are strongly encouraged to declare their interests." Chick Bowen 05:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I've added a comment on the COI discussion for this page. Thank you. Mcurtes (talk) 06:04, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — J04n(talk page) 10:55, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm not a WP:MUSIC guy, but the reviews seem to meet WP:N. Hobit (talk) 16:28, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, the amount of reviews seems satisfying WP:GNG. -- Cycl o pia talk  23:29, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: Passes WP:MUSIC now. Joe Chill (talk) 01:21, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - the reviews, record company, and college chart connections look pretty good. I will figure out a way to add references from the reviews to the article. In a somewhat related matter, the conflict of interest issue could probably be resolved by toning down the promo-style language, which I will also get to work on. Doomsdayer520  (Talk|Contribs) 17:53, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Update - I have completed some additions to the article and cleaned up some promo-style language. Hopefully this helps with the notability question, at least a little. There is reason for discussion about the Conflict of Interest issue - see the article's talk page. Progress is being made on these issues, if anyone else wants to continue the process of improving the article. The Orphan issue is still a reason for concern though, but that should remain outside of the AfD discussion. Doomsdayer520  (Talk|Contribs) 18:18, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. I had voted to delete in the original AfD nom, but with the additional sources provided, the group meets WP:BAND.  Gongshow  Talk 18:25, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.