Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Political arguments of gun politics in the United States


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep  as conformant to WP:SS. (My personal opinion as a non-US editor, though, is that we may cover this particular issue a bit too much in-depth.) Sandstein (talk) 06:09, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Political arguments of gun politics in the United States

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I prod tagged this article with "Poor choice of a fork of Gun politics in the United States - this is the main topic of that article. A glance at the talk page of the older article reveals too little discussion of this forking to believe that it would be a consensus view had it gotten a wider airing. The older article has a huge "gun culture" section; that has its own article, so trim it instead." I should have said "spinout article" where I said "fork", because my prod tag was removed. Some background; on May 1st somebody put a "too long" tag on the article. Three editors (one somewhat unwillingly) then decided that this was the appropriate course of action--spinning out the the main topic of the old article. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 05:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong keep. Political arguments of gun politics is distinctly different than gun politics in the United States.  The gun politics in the United States article includes gun culture, which many references state is central to understanding gun politics in the US, as well as a history of gun politics, the legal history content of gun politics, and associated gun politics topics.  On the other hand, political arguments of gun politics in the United States is a standalone topic that centers around the two documented and cited types of arguments of gun politics, which are then broken down at considerable lengths.  The original article had gotten way too long per WP guidelines, and discussion on the talk page among all active editors agreed with spinning out the standalone content.  Spinout articles are highly encouraged on Wikipedia to address articles that grow too long.  Yaf (talk) 13:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep It's a useful and well-referenced page on an encyclopedic topic: focusing on a specialised aspect of the gun politics page. If we didn't make separate articles for specialised topics, imagine how big the History of the United States article would be!  Nyttend (talk) 14:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment, the parent article is overwrought. Please explain how "Political arguments of gun politics" is distinctly different from "gun politics". Phlegm Rooster (talk) 19:40, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. My comments mirror Yaf's. This is a spinout that addresses a specific topic within "Gun politics in the US."  I think it's a useful, multi-viewpoint summary of arguments that have been made.  I suppose one could make an argument about which subsection in GPITUS should have been spun out, but I do not find this section replicated in other entries, and it is on-topic.--Icammd (talk) 00:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. Yaf pretty much summed it up; I have little to add except that the new article existed for mere hours before being tagged for deletion.  I don't see why this article shouldn't be given a chance.  A problem was found: parent article was too long.  A solution was proposed: spin off this section.  A consensus was reached: do it.  It's done.  This seems like Wikipedia at its best and it deserves a chance to be made to work and not have the door slammed on it before the metaphorical ink is even dry.  Once it has been fleshed out and given some time to develop, if it turns out to have been a poor solution, it can always be merged back and a new solution found.  In the mean time, I can see no reason not to give this article a chance.  OlenWhitaker   • talk to me or don't • ♣ ♥ ♠ ♦ 01:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * strong keep as per olenwhitaker: this is a size split off Gun_politics_in_the_United_States. that article is already 115KB and is #635 on the long pages list, therefore the split is a good idea. Grandmartin11 (talk) 05:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.