Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Political career of Albert Speer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Albert Speer.  MBisanz  talk 16:56, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Political career of Albert Speer

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This is a very brief content fork (WP:CFORK) of Albert Speer. It has seen a total of 3 edits, all in 2011, so it is likely abandoned. As a featured article, Albert Speer should contain all of this material insofar as it is of significance. The article is therefore redundant and can be deleted. I suppose in principle a spin-off article about this topic is possible, but as it is this attempt adds very little of value.  Sandstein  21:07, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Talk:Albert Speer/Archive 2 makes for fairly informative reading here. However, a quick spot-check indicates that several things here are not now in the main article. , though, so could be rescued from history if someone wanted the main article to cover this, without worrying about this article. On the other hand, if a spin-off is possible, we don't generally delete stuff just because it's hyperlinked from a featured article and poorly written.  That would be a quick route to disaster.  What makes you think that it's possible, and that therefore this is a stub that can be expanded? Uncle G (talk) 21:21, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I suppose it is conceivable that one could write an article about Speer's political career, but only barely: it would duplicate much of the main article, and would have to deal with the minutiae of Nazi politics at an unusual level of detail. But I think that this slight possibility isn't worth keeping this content fork around in the meantime; it may well be easier to start from scratch if somebody really wants to write such a subarticle.  Sandstein   21:33, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep: As noted, it was discussed on the talk page and spun-off the main FA rated article on Speer. There are several somewhat similar articles (Service record of Reinhard Heydrich and Service record of Heinrich Himmler); granted those are more expansive and detailed. This one on Speer could be either expanded or kept in its current form. There is information not in the main article and I don't believe there would be consensus to add it back in said main article. Kierzek (talk) 22:12, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * KEEP: No reason to delete this; slow or no editing activity on an article is also not a valid reason. Sourced material and in line with other articles of the same type, such as Service record of Heinrich Himmler and Service record of Reinhard Heydrich.  At the very least, it could be merged, but I think this was discussed on the original Albert Speer article where interested parties agreed to have a separate article. -OberRanks (talk) 23:40, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Speer's notability is primarily derived from the specific appointed "roles" he held through his later political career rather than things he did while he held these roles (or before). So shouldn't this content be central to the main Speer article and not just shunted off here? If there are details in this article the are not in the main Speer article shouldn't they be added there, even if consensus is to retain this view. The Himmler and Heydrich examples are somewhat misleading as analogies, as these subject would be more likely to be independently notable for their actions. Celtechm (talk) 01:14, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd disagree that he's largely notable for his official roles: he's mainly known for Gitta Sereny's book on him and his post-war attempts at rehabilitation, and somewhat notable as an architect (which is why he's better known than many Nazi functionaries). --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:30, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I did much of the work on the Speer article. I think that the topic could include a useful article.  Certainly the mechanics of how Speer, once given office by Hitler, made his way to become effectively the economic czar of Germany is a useful topic that the main article has no space to do.  This isn't quite focused on that yet, but that's for other processes than deletion.  Because of my involvement in the Speer article, I won't formally !vote, but my inclination is to keep it and hope someone makes it useful.  If it starts becoming a POV fork, though, we may need to reconsider.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:12, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:04, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:04, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Theo polisme  01:25, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge - Similar to the Political career of Jesse Jackson, Jr. piece above, this is not an encyclopedic topic and there is no reason this should exist independent of the encyclopedic and searchable topic, Albert Speer. This is how POV forks start. Carrite (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to Albert Speer. This is clearly a content fork that's not necessary to split off. See, for example, Elena Kagan & Howard Taft, two people who had multiple careers (Taft was both President and Chief Justice of the United States) and yet we keep everything they did in the same article. It's certainly easier for the reader that way, and I feel it's supported by current practice. --Lord Roem (talk) 19:23, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge - Its purpose could just as easily be served in a subsection of the main article. Quityergreeting (talk) 01:23, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge - It makes sense to be put back in the main article. Hasteur (talk) 16:23, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm okay with a merge, but we would really need to make sure it is a proper merge and not a redirect. Speer's dates of political ranks and a summary of his appointed positions were difficult to get from the references, so that data should be preserved above all else. -OberRanks (talk) 17:37, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.