Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Political history of the United States


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Political history of x country are valid subjects and titles, but this one effectively abuses this academic term and should be started from scratch, with those encyclopedic aims in mind. There needs be a limit as to how tolerant we ought be of such stubs. El_C 19:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Political history of the United States

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This is three four templates on a single page; and has been that way since May 2006. What purpose does it serve? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge, Categorize or Delete: Its a handy list of stuff, but not an article by itself. The name certainly doesn't fit.  Pharmboy 18:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete as A3 (no content), seeing as it's been in this stage for so long. Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 18:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to History of the United States; otherwise delete for lack of content. See also Avoid template creep. Shalom Hello 18:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Hmm, this may be an abandoned article, but there's little doubt in my mind that content could be added to it. I think deletion is premature, as it would be far better to have a valid article here than to have nothing.  Instead, I think this page needs to get the attention the subject deserves.  FrozenPurpleCube 19:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * A redlink may actually get that attention; I came across this largely by chance. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Or it may get no attention at all. There are other tools in the box besides deletion, for example, requesting expansion or seeking to get a wikiproject involved.   FrozenPurpleCube 21:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The expand tag's been there for six months. If someone thinks, now or later, that other methods will do something, the templates included are American_political_eras, USPresidentialElections,USSenElections, and US_house_elections. I promise not to G4 immediately. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The first one is not the standard periodization, but some of the articles for that are missing. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete but without prejudice to recreation. If someone wants to write a history of political movements in the United States, or a list of societal changes that have influenced political history (e.g. World Wars I and II, the Civil War, the civil rights movement, the New Deal, and the Global War on Terror), that would make a good article.  As it is, though, it's just a page of templates without context.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 19:21, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Although, come to think of it, it might be hard to distill this down to just one article. Category:Political history of the United States contains a number of articles, each with their own perspective. Some of them, like History of the United States Congress, offer a broad perspective, while Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy is a comparatively minor event.  --Elkman (Elkspeak) 19:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't suggest this should be one article, but rather a summary one that links off to things like Jacksonian Democracy or the Progressive Movement. FrozenPurpleCube 21:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete without prejudice. --Fang Aili talk 19:50, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - ugh! Let someone else do it with, you know, some prose. &larr;BenB4 22:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment taking a look at the above comments, I'd like people to check the history section of this page Politics of the United States and tell me if they'd consider it appropriate as a basis for this article? FrozenPurpleCube 04:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There seem to be two history sections, right next to each other, both needing major work. I think User:Pmanderson/Eras would make a good outline; but I haven't put it into article space because of the redlink. Keep me posted.  Septentrionalis PMAnderson 13:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and recreate later if someone wants to actually create an actual article. That could be done from the history sections of Politics of the United States and in that case the name should be "History of Politics in the United States" rather than "Political history of ..." which is a different subject. A "Political history" article, if needed, would focus on changes in the overall history of the U.S. as it has been affected by politics (and that may overlap so much with the main U.S. history article that it wouldn't be worth doing). A "History of politics" article would focus on how politics has itself changed, partly because of nonpolitical factors such as changes in technology, demographics, the economy, social change, etc. Two topics, related but separate, and neither addressed in this page which is not even an article. Noroton 16:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep and rename Come on, this is simply a navigation page for the articles about United States elections. People click on a particular election, then come back to this nexus to go to the next election.  No different than an index in the back of a book.  Say that you want to read about Truman/Dewey in 1948, then about Kennedy/Nixon in 1960.  This is helpful.  Why some misguided soul called this "Political history of the United States" is beyond me.  What a pretentious title, but it's more efficient than typing in "Presidential election of _____" every time you want to read about a particular campaign.  How many votes are being made simply because of the dumb name for the article? Mandsford 02:08, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.