Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Political theology in China


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The Bushranger One ping only 01:54, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Political theology in China

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Seems to be an unneeded fork of Christianity in China, but with less citations. It isn't suitable as a redirect as the title doesn't specify that it is about Christianity. RileyBugz 会話投稿記録 19:37, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. L3X1  (distænt write)  20:00, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. L3X1  (distænt write)  20:00, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. L3X1  (distænt write)  20:00, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep. There is of course overlap with Christianity in China but has a different focus on political theology (which is meant to be a subset of the history of Christianity in China). Perhaps it would have been better if I had not WP:Split much of the content into separate pages? To delete this page would mean to claim that political theology has no regional or contextual difference. Furthermore, as you imply, this article can be expanded to include Confucian or Buddhist political theology in China as well (although "theology" often implies a theos which neither would agree to). Caorongjin (talk) 20:22, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I have expanded this a bit to add the academic discourse of those who are not self-identified Christians. Caorongjin (talk) 11:43, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. Completely unnecessary fork of Christianity in China. The title indicates a broader scope, but this is actually a much narrower scope, limited not only to one religion, but almost to one denomination. Any useful information (with references) can be merged back into Christianity in China or to the article about the relevant denomination / pastor. Brad  v  20:52, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep. Every article should stand on its own merits but it should be noted that Political theology is already a growing subset of Wikipedia articles encompassing many different countries. This a burgeoning area of interest and merits the additional focus it is receiving in this article. To dismiss this article is to also dismiss the already substantial work being done in covering political theology. It is worth considering also what message this sends out when a student has researched the scholarly literature on this subject, spent time learning Wikipedia's norms and crafted a well-referenced article which adds to, and in no way detracts from, Wikipedia's coverage of a subject area. Wiki Education assignments, with the mutual benefits for academia and Wikipedia in encouraging students to contribute their time and research skills, is a growing discipline. It will not grow however if we do not take great care to avoid 'deletionism' in our assessing of the student's contributions, which risks both putting off the student from ever contributing again and potentially putting off educators who may be considering a similar research assignment.Stinglehammer (talk) 16:34, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Needs major restructuring -- There is a place for an article of this kind, but this is not it. Catholic and Protestant Christianity are effectively separate religions, since they use different words for God.  Protestant Christianity consists of the official Three Self movement and about five house church movements.  There is a place for an article on the theology of the Three self movement, which has been subject to heavy political control in the past; there may be a case for one on the Catholic equivalent.  However these need to be focused on their subject and not to deal with the rest of the history of Christianity in China, which is dealt with in that article.  However, TNT may be the best solution.   Peterkingiron (talk) 17:10, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Looks to be a natural development from Political theology (see country-by-country structure there), and there is precedent for this kind of co-existence, see Political theology in the Middle East and Christianity in the Middle East. Lirazelf (talk) 10:03, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:48, 15 December 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - there are articles in Wikipedia on Political theology in the Middle East and Political theology in sub-Saharan Africa, so it makes sense to have this article. If it is not kept, it could arguably be merged with the article on political theology.I do admit that parts of the article on political theology in China need re-writing, but this would better be discussed on the article's talk page than here. Vorbee (talk) 18:53, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   11:54, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - The article may be in poor shape currently but AFD is not cleanup. The comments in this discussion convince me that the nominator's concerns (i.e. sourcing, focus on one religion) can be addressed by rewriting. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 13:21, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep may need work, but is a notable topic. We can't just merge with Christianity in China because it covers other religions such a Buddhism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rusf10 (talk • contribs)
 * Keep. Definitely a notable topic, not readily merged into any other topic. bd2412  T 23:12, 22 December 2017 (UTC)


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