Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pompey-Spurs rivalry


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  06:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Pompey-Spurs rivalry

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Not every sports rivalry is notable enough for its own article, including this one. PROD removed by author without explanation. Singularity42 (talk) 20:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - uncited, non-notable and quite possibly transitory. Whenever Harry Redknapp moves on, the rivalry disappears.  This is nothing more than the "normal" reaction of one set of fans when a favourite player/manager moves to another club. NtheP (talk) 13:18, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 13:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 13:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per the first sentence and its reference to "mere but growing rivalry". Come back if and when the rivalry sticks and gets so big that it gets sustained media coverage. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 14:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - no genuine rivalry exists between these clubs bar the fact that Spurs happen to be managed by a former Portsmouth manager and the Portsmouth fans don't like that. Nicky Forster always got lots of stick when he played against Gillingham because of the circumstances of his departure from Priestfield, but that didn't mean that we actually had a rivalry with the teams he happened to be playing for at the time..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't think you should delete it because it is an actual rivalry. It's not one I just made up. I'm a Portsmouth supporter, I do know about this rivalry (by the way, I'm the one who wrote the article). Wackslas
 * WP:ITEXISTS and WP:IKNOWIT are not useful arguments in a deletion discussion. The main issues are not whether it exists or whether you are aware of it (although its existence is still an important initial consideration).  To have an article on Wikipedia, the subject must be notable and must have reliable sources to back up the claim of notability.  Singularity42 (talk) 17:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Keep As a matter of fact, it kind of does...User:Wackslas —Preceding undated comment added 07:16, 24 May 2011 (UTC).
 * Delete - some groups of fans getting in a huff because Harry Redknapp left Pompey to manage Spurs does not a rivalry make... GiantSnowman 17:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Please feel free to add further comments but do not !vote multiple times -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:47, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - should this article be kept, it should be moved to Portsmouth F.C. and Tottenham Hotspur F.C. rivalry. Our other articles on rivalries use the full/correct club names, no reason for this one to be different and use nicknames..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:05, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - pretty much per User:Nthep. Yet to be shown as a real rivalry, any animosity between them is likely temporary on the Redknapp issue and as these clubs are unlikely to meet much over the next season or three. I don't see reliable sources making a deal of it.-- Club Oranje T 10:49, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - looks like NtheP has hit the nail on the head, a popular figure leaving one club for another isn't a basis for a rivalry and I very much doubt this would ever have the same intensity of the South Coast derby. &mdash;BETTIA&mdash; talk 10:58, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. &mdash;BETTIA&mdash; talk 10:59, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Ah, you've forgotten the fact that this is a RIVALRY, not a DERBY. Yes, maybe it would be quite a while until they actually meet again but you need to remember that I never mentioned that a Pompey v Spurs match was a derby, I only said that they are quite some rivals. Wackslas
 * You've already been asked to stop !voting multiple times..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment If there wasn't rivalry between any two sets of fans from any clubs then watching football would be a very boring impassionate affair. This is nothing more than that and is utterly non notable, and there are still no sources quoted to make any attempt at it being notable. NtheP (talk) 20:58, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment But the thing is that the fans ARE rivals with eachother. You don't know how it's like to be a true Pompey fan. And if you do, then you'll know the feirce rivalry between the FANS! You all think I made up this rivalry which is INCORRECT, I have you know. So if you wanna delete it then go ahead. Go and delete it. At least I know that I'm the one who's actually RIGHT. Wackslas —Preceding undated comment added 07:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC).
 * Comment Oh, there is just ONE more thing. Before you delete the page, take a look at it once more. You might change your mind. --Wackslas :) (talk) 07:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - This is not an established rivalry, just something that has emerged in the last few years. Not noteworthy. – PeeJay 15:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment So if it's not a rivalry, what is it then? Eh? yes, it has emerged in the last few years. Think about it though, the two teams dislike eachother quite badly. That kinda qualifies as a rivalry. I personally don't think you should start a debate on how big rivalries have to be to earn a Wikipedia article. And I'm not just gonna rename it to Pompey-Spurs thing that has just emerged over the years thank you very much. --Wackslas :) (talk) 17:12, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Wackslas, you are right that we shouldn't have "a debate on how big rivalries have to be to earn a Wikipedia article" because that is not the criteria. As I have said since the beginning, the issue is whether this rivalry is notable. WP:NOTABILITY and WP:RELIABLE SOURCES are two cruicial guidelines for Wikipedia - they are probably two of the most important policies we have regarding article content.  Please look at them and then tell us how they apply to this article. Singularity42 (talk) 17:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * In response to all negative posts Let me get this straight. You all obviously dislike this artice and are trying to find ways how it dosn't "cite the reference books" or whatever you wanna to call them. Just because you think this rivalry is a load of mumbo-jumbo (which it is NOT), your all trying to get rid of it. There are probably at least ten thousand articles on the English Wikipedia that dosn't have any notibility or reliable sources and all that lot. They just get marked as stubbs or get one of those "you can help Wikipedia by expanding it" messages at the top of the page! So why are you treating this one different? As I said, you can delete it if you want, don't bother posting any more comments or votes. You've clearly won. Now all you need to do is come to the desicion and close the discussion. Although I've lost this little contest, I'm still gonna REST MY CASE. --Wackslas :) (talk) 20:25, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think we all agree that you've reached the desicion to delete Pompey-Spurs rivalry. Thanks very much for your time. --Wackslas :) (talk) 20:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Deletion debates normally run for a week, an administrator will close it at that time -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:27, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The rule is very simple: WP sums up thinks that have been previously written elsewhere, and the rules on notability are clearly written here. You are welcome to argue with this principle, or claim this wasn't made clear when you wrote the article (I personally think we don't make this clear enough to newcomers), but to claim that we're making this rule up in order to delete the article simply isn't true. You may notice that there is an article about the Old firm including its rivalry and sectarianism, but that is because it is so notorious there are many news articles that have been written about it. If Popmey-Spurs rivalry grows to get even a fraction of media coverage that the Old Firm gets, there should be an article. But without the media coverage, this article is just one person's opinion of the relationship between two football clubs, and one person's opinion, however insightful, is not for Wikipedia. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 08:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. The first sentence says it all - "The Pompey-Spurs rivalry is a mere"... Not notable for a stand-alone article. Argyle 4 Life  talk  15:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete insufficient content for a separate article, could be noted on the teams articles. jorgenev 20:37, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.