Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ponte del Paradiso


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. S warm  ♠  01:26, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Ponte del Paradiso

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This article is unreferenced and doesn't make any claim of any significance. Compassionate727 (talk) 15:56, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment While the article is the briefest of stubs, I am inclined to think, after some looking that this (and the other bridges put up for deletion) subject is notable. Dozens of guide books, history books and architectural books mention the bridge, and while I'd have to look deeper for extensive coverage, I suspect that you'll find plenty of reliable, in-depth sourcing for old bridges in Venice if you really look. Nwlaw63 (talk) 16:38, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * Merge this article and the ones below Add the Afd survivors and others to List of bridges in Venice (like List of bridges in Saint Petersburg). They're certainly notable as a group, but not necessarily all individually. Heck, that list should be created regardless of the outcome here. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:25, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete There are over 400 bridges in Venice, and this one is not notable, other than it gets you from one side of a small canal to the other. There is a short article in the Italian WP, but without references, and none in the Venetian WP. There is one link in the Slovenian article (the only other language article), but it's to a blog post from a nearby BnB. Although a list of bridges might be interesting, many do not have names, and many, like this one, have had more than one name over time. (This was also Ponte dei Preti, probably because the street it runs into has changed names over time.) I'm pretty sure I was lost here once. ;-) LaMona (talk) 22:41, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ponte dei Preti and this one are different bridges. They are contiguous to each other and form an angle, but are not the same. Cavarrone 05:16, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment, this old book covers the bridge for several pages, particularly focusing on its name's origins (according to several historians the name "Paradise" derived from the opulence with which it was decorated during the holidays) and on its 1400s Gothic spired arch, which seems worth of notice on its own (and possibly more notable than the bridge itself). Interestingly, the bridge also named a novel by Anton Giulio Barrili. I'd certainly support a merging/redirect if List of bridges in Venice would exist, but as for now I am a bit doubtful between keep (as probably there is some potential for expansion) and delete (per WP:TNT, among other reasons). Cavarrone  05:16, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, since TNT hardly applies to fresh and innocent articles, this sounds like a 'weak keep' to me. ;-) BTW. List of bridges in Venice articles already exist in several other WPs and elsewhere (some list just a few bridges, some already list hundreds of bridges), so regardless of if we keep individual articles or not, this is something that can be drawn upon. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 16:08, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. This stub clearly needs expansion and references, but Google turns up with quite a number of hits, there is an article about this bridge in another WP as well as in another wiki about Venice . Cavarrone above already came up with a larger treatise on the subject and I'm sure if we dig a little deeper, more sources can be turned up. I see our basic notability criteria for geographic features fulfilled per WP:GEOLAND, therefore I'm confident the article will grow, if given the necessary time to grow. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 16:08, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.