Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pookah Makes Three


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The result was   keep. Kubigula (talk) 22:15, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Pookah Makes Three

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This came up as a Random Article. I tidied it up and saved, then realised that the band probably does not meet criteria for inclusion. The article is entirely unreferenced and I have not found any reliable sources; the only external link (to Discogs) gives nothing to suggest notability. The band released three singles, none of which charted in the UK, though one is claimed to have got to #33 in Australia (or, rather, its B-side did) but there is no evidence of this. One of the band members subsequently joined another band which does have some notability, but that does make this one notable (and he was only in the second one for a few months when it went into decline). Emeraude (talk) 10:43, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. Can't see any online sources or Google Books.  May well be 80s print sources, but I don't have 30 years' worth of NMEs under my bed.  Connection to Twelfth Night (band) certainly doesn't establish notability, per notability not inherited guideline. --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:06, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Seriously though, somebody should digitise all those NMEs. --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:07, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 15:42, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. One of those bands that received plenty of coverage that is virtually invisible to the Web. "Take It Back" reached #85 in the UK Singles Chart, and although I can't find a reliable source, it appears to have reached the top 30 in Australia. There are a couple of relevant news articles on the Web:, - the "front page star of teen magazines" bit in the BBC article would have been from Martyn Watson's time in this band.--Michig (talk) 17:59, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's one of the magazines that covered the band - see the cover/sleeve between Nick Hayward's shoulder blades - I've got a couple of these 'Debut' releases, and there was a substantial feature on each artist with a track on the LP that came with it.--Michig (talk) 18:53, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The article in Buxton Advertiser, a local paper, is NOT about Pookah Makes Three but about one of its members and merely mentions in passing that he had "a minor chart hit" (though unspecified how minor). Similarly, the BBC local page for Nottingham is also NOT about the band but the person, and makes a passing reference only to it - he will discuss "Pop success in the 80s with the Pookah Makes 3" but no indication what success means. Rateyourmusic.com is NOT a magazine; it's a record sales site and an advert for a compilation LP which mentions Pookah Makes Three on the cover - no evidence of sales or notability. Hardly surprising that a magazine/compliation LP would have a feature on the people in it, but without seeing it, no evidence of notability. If reaching #85 with one single makes a band notable, OK, but given that in the 80s charts were only taken seriously down to #40 I doubt it. Emeraude (talk) 22:28, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't say those two articles are 'about' Pookah Makes 3. I also did not say that rateyourmusic.com is a magazine (are you serious?) - that page on the site shows the cover of an issue of Debut magazine that featured the band. Debut was a magazine that came with an LP featuring tracks by the bands featured in it - a feature in the magazine certainly is evidence of notability. --Michig (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep precedent is to keep groups with charting hits in a major music market (US, UK, Japan). Most references for this probably aren't going to be online. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  03:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note. I have got hold of the Debut magazine in question. It has a lot of content unrelated to the LP that came with it, and that issue includes a two page feature article on The Pookah Makes Three.--Michig (talk) 08:27, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


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