Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poole Bus Station


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Dolphin Shopping Centre. The "keep" side, despite being asked to, does not address the "delete" side's arguments that coverage in sources of this bus station is local or otherwise insufficient for notability. The only other argument advanced for keeping is "it's a [large / important] bus station", which is not a factor for inclusion according to our guidelines. I therefore have to give the "keep" opinions less weight and find consensus to not keep the article. However, given the number of divergent opinions and the occasional "merge" opinions, a redirection to the apparently adjoining Dolphin Shopping Centre in whose article the station is already mentioned seems to be an appropriate alternative to deletion.  Sandstein  13:50, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Poole Bus Station

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Non notable bus station. Routine local coverage in references but nothing to establish anything that makes this bus station stand out from hundreds of others. noq (talk) 17:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - quite a lot of coverage in the sources/media. The subject of the article is ok, it just needs expansion. Eyebeller (talk) 18:15, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Have you read the sources? They are all routine, mostly not WP:significant coverage. It does not need expansion it needs a reason for the article to exist.  noq (talk) 18:39, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support - Doesn't matter if it's insignificant. It's not a private service (e.g. a restaurant) where the article could be seen as advertising, it's a public bus station. JayPlaysStuff (talk) 18:52, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


 * What part of WP:GNG says being public makes it notable? Note also that it is privately owned by a bus company so how is that different from a privately owned restaurant? noq (talk) 23:02, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The bus station is the largest of its kind in Dorset, and is home to the largest outdoor mural in the UK. Surely that is notable? User:MoonlightTulsi (talk) 15:10, 22 November 2020


 * Is it exceptionally large or just the largest in an arbitrary area? Largest outdoor mural claim by the architects I cannot verify.  I can find claims of a larger one in London, and cannot find a wiki article about that.  This is just a bus station like hundreds of others around the country.  I'm sure I could find timetables of bus companies using them, local newspaper stories about antisocial behaviour and so on for almost all of them. What makes this particular one stand out? noq (talk) 16:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  20:04, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  20:04, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - enough sources to pass GNG in my view. This is not a bus stop, it's a major interchange. Deus et lex (talk) 11:48, 24 November 2020 (UTC)


 * And which of the admittedly many sources, are independent, significant coverage in reliable sources? Links to bus company timetables, letters to the local paper, police response to antisocial behaviour in the area, press releases from the architects and bus companies, passing mentions and what else? noq (talk) 12:21, 24 November 2020 (UTC)


 * What would you consider a notable bus station? In reference to other wiki articles on British bus stations. MoonlightTulsi (talk) 22:00, 25 November 2020


 * Which of the sources do you consider to be WP:significant coverage in independent WP:reliable sources as required by WP:GNG? The only thing I can see that would be vaguely notable is the mural - but that is sourced to the architect (including the AJ article which is clearly from a press release) and I can't find anything independent for that. noq (talk) 22:13, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Not just a bus stop, but a major bus interchange station with plenty of sourcing. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:30, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Not sure what bus stops have to do with it - not been claimed anywhere that it is a bus stop. What makes a major interchange station? Where are the sources saying that?  The sources are all either not independent, not significant coverage or not reliable. noq (talk) 22:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge A lot of these sources are local in nature or give barebone information such as time tables and addresses. Additionally, there doesn't seem to be much that can be said about the station; the article has to cite to letters to the editor for the claim about anti-social behavior. I would compare this to an article such as B46 (New York City bus). While most of the sources there are also local, there is a lot that can be said about the bus and the article relies on a large number of publications. I've recently lost access to a lot of my university databases and I'm no expert on transport articles, so I don't feel too comfortable voting delete. However, I don't think this is as slam-dunk a keep as many of the !voters are making it out to be. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 03:32, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Changing my vote to merge per Jumpytoo below. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 20:41, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge to Dolphin Shopping Centre A cursory look on Google Maps shows these two buildings are integrated with each other, so a merge there wouldn't be unreasonable. Jumpytoo Talk 07:47, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The bus station is a separate building to the shopping centre. Other British bus stations have under referenced articles. I'm not sure what the standard is. MoonlightTulsi (talk) 16:28, 28 November 2020


 * See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The standard is at WP:GNG. How does/could this article meet that?  noq (talk) 16:32, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. The article certainly seems to describe a notable transport hub. The article could use some improvements, such as an Infobox and some more route details, but that is no reason to delete an article which provides details I can see a user looking for further information appreciating.--Concertmusic (talk) 21:01, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * How exactly is the stop notable? Virtually all of the coverage I’ve found consists of either trivial mentions and the local paper providing routine coverage of things that happened at the station; there are few (if any) sources that cover the station in serious encyclopedic depth. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 22:38, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * it is not a bus stop, it is a bus station. There is a difference MoonlightTulsi (talk) 22:51, 28 November 2020
 * That was an error on my part. Regardless, how does the station met notability requirements? Spirit of Eagle (talk) 03:45, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete I've gone through the sources, and the only independent, reliable, significant coverage I see is in the Bournemouth Echo, which is a local publication. Furthermore, the BE's coverage is rather routine: announcements and crime, that's about it. So, from the sources currently in the article, the only conclusion I can draw is that this building is only of local interest, and even that not much. So, per WP:AUD (perhaps somewhat liberally) and WP:ROUTINE (or that one sentence in WP:NOTNEWS that it draws from), and considering that the BE is just one source, I don't think this bus station is notable.  PJvanMill ) talk ( 13:30, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * What would you consider a notable bus station? In reference to other wiki articles on British bus stations. MoonlightTulsi (talk) 6:22, 8 December 2020
 * As stated previously, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The standard is at WP:GNG. How does/could this article meet that? Can you answer that rather than repeating the same question that has already been answered. noq (talk) 09:24, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * MoonlightTulsi, to answer your question simply: a bus station covered in more and better sources. Kind regards from  PJvanMill ) talk ( 17:50, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:50, 4 December 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   10:36, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep It's a notable transport hub. It doesn't have to stand out from all the other notable transport hubs because our policy is that Wikipedia is not paper and so we have room for them all.  Andrew🐉(talk) 15:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * What makes it notable? I have seen several people say it is nut no one showing it is.  If existence and assertion is the only qualification, then what is the point of notability guidelines? noq (talk) 15:13, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It appears that there have been bus services in Poole since 1905 which makes them historic -- the oldest in the country. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * But the bus station is not historic. And no where near the oldest in the country. noq (talk) 15:53, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm really just not seeing how notability is met. The only in-depth coverage consists of information about a mural installed at the station rather than about the station itself; everything else is either trivial mentions or local news (most of which is itself routine coverage of changes in bus lines and damage caused by vandalism and flooding). The mural may meet notability requirements, but the station it is installed in does not. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 00:18, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


 * And the claim made above to Poole having the oldest bus service in the country does not appear to be backed up anywhere. No mention in Bus transport in the United Kingdom. noq (talk) 11:06, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 23:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Coverage from only local news does not establish notability - see WP:AUD. SK2242 (talk) 20:00, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.