Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pope Francis' visit to the Philippines


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The result was   keep. —Tom Morris (talk) 17:49, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Pope Francis' visit to the Philippines

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It is just an event/Tour which does not follow WP:LASTING or has WP:EFFECT Lakun.patra (talk) 04:42, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep It will be a major event, later this month, and will get lots of coverage in reliable sources.Kitfoxxe (talk) 04:47, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge into Holy See–Philippines relations. Popes are like politicians: they travel around and talk a lot; while heavily covered in the press, most trips aren't particularly noteworthy historically. (I'm thinking there should be a list article for papal travel per year.)  Pax 05:19, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 05:27, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 05:27, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 05:27, 8 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Incubate, while I agree with Kitfoxxe, that this visit will surely receive significant coverage from multiple reliable sources, IMHO this article is premature per WP:CRYSTALBALL, and thus it is premature to have an article already. Therefore, IMHO, the article should be incubated, and a redirect to Holy See–Philippines relations be left in its place, for now, and when it finally occurs, then recreate the article.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:47, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It will have a lot of coverage, but ultimately be just another trip to talk into microphones. Such junkets are not inherently notable unless something happens at one. Pax 07:14, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The visit will start in less than 5 days, which is around the time that this AfD closes. I don't think your WP:CRYSTALBALL !vote applies in this case because if we "incubate" the article, it will almost immediately be recreated anyway when the visit occurs since it will receive significant coverage as you admit. —seav (talk) 14:38, 11 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge/Redirect to List of pastoral visits of Pope Francis outside Italy which appears to be the most appropriate location for such event. If the visit will result to be notable enough (and its contents will be long enough) for a separate article, then we'll split the article again, but actually any judgment would be premature. Cavarrone  13:15, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That's even better. (Arguably that other page could merge into it as well.) Pax 14:04, 8 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. The question is not on whether the visit will get lots of coverage. The fact is, the visit is already generating a lot of coverage in reliable sources with regards to preparations and the like. Remember that the Philippines is the only major Catholic country in Asia (aside from East Timor) and papal visits to this country are quite notable. —seav (talk) 04:01, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This coverage is just a mixture of routine coverage and trivia, WP:NOTNEWS easily applies. Articles on popemobile, cop dresses during the visit, itinerary, "5 things to know about the visit" do not justify an article separated from List of pastoral visits of Pope Francis outside Italy. Events need to have a higher significance per WP:EVENT. I could easily provide hundreds of articles about Matteo Renzi visiting Albania, yet I don't think an article is necessary. Cavarrone  07:00, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The Google News link provides almost 180,000 results. Even if we eliminate 99.9% of those due to irrelevance, repeated news, trivial, or routine coverage, that results into potentially 180 items that can be used to write an article. And this is just coverage ahead of the event itself. While individual items like the itinerary, or the popemobile are not inherently notable, the breadth and depth of coverage on just the visit's preparation paints a picture that is more than the sum of its parts. —seav (talk) 14:30, 11 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Easy keep. Easily surpasses WP:EVENT -- Coverage is deep, there's been coverage from months ago, and there's a great diversity of sources. – H T  D  13:21, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. I watch Philippines media, because my domestic partner was born there, and their media is all over this.  Other than the AirAsia disaster, this is by far the biggest story for the past two weeks.  The impact is very likely to be big -- and long-lasting.  For most Americans, they can't fathom the devotion to Pope Francis by the Filipinos, but I've never seen anything like it. Bearian (talk) 20:18, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep No idea how other countries treat papal visits but I have never encountered any religious or political dignitaries that caused the Philippine government to give the entire capital at least three non-working holidays -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:42, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a special and historical event in the Philippines and it is cover by all media. User:Nikbert16(Talk) 11:43, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
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