Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pope of Alexandria


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Patriarch of Alexandria. /delete Spartaz Humbug! 03:13, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Pope of Alexandria

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 * Delete. This is essentially a copy of Patriarch of Alexandria with a nice picture. The article properly redirected to the above for the past several years until fairly recently when it was co-opted by WP:FRINGE theorists. The new name destroys the concept of Pentarchy along with the template at the bottom and is not used in English. The copied article correctly notes that "contrary to the Pope of Rome, the Pope of Alexandria had no distinction in his Papal/Pontifical and Patriarchal titles. They were used together in the same capacity and this dual title did not put him on a higher ecclesiastical/hierarchical level than the other Patriarchs of the Pentarchy." Also note that one of the editors recently deleted the original article without discussion.Student7 (talk) 20:59, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete/ Merge to Patriarch of Alexandria per Student7. In addition to other conerns, the "Pope" title seems to be used much less (if at all) than the "Patriarch"-- except for the Coptic Orthodox Patriarch of Alexandria. The other four Patriarchs of Alexandria are:
 * The Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Alexandria
 * The Coptic Catholic Patriarch of Alexandria
 * The Latin Patriarch of Alexandria
 * The Patriarch of Antioch, of Alexandria and Jerusalem of the Melkite Greek Catholic Church
 * -- şṗøʀĸ şṗøʀĸ: τᴀʟĸ 22:02, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep The above info is totally erroneous. The first person to carry the title of Pope was the 13th Pope of Alexandria, hundreds of years before the Bishop of Rome assumed that title as well. And since that time, the head of the Seat of Alexandria has been called "Pope of Alexandria". This does not only include the Pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church, as one of the editors above claims, but also the Pope of the Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria. The other two (the Latin Patriarch who does not even exist anymore), and the Patriarch of the Coptic Catholic Church, do not carry the title "Pope" because they follow the church of Rome. Both of these did not even exist 200 years ago, while both the Pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church and the Pope of the Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria continued to exist since the time of Saint Mark in the 1st century, and continued to carry the title "Pope of Alexandria" since the time of Pope Heraclas, 13th Pope of Alexandria, in the 3rd/4th century, long before the title "Pope of Rome" existed. That's why the title "Pope of Alexandria" is much more correct than the title "Patriarch of Alexandria". -- λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ [talk] 04:27, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep I contacted John Mcguckin, Professor of Byzantine Christian Studies at Columbia University and author of "St. Cyril of Alexandria: The Christological Controversy". He had this to say:

Also, please see Wikipedia's naming conventions. Specifically: Popes other than Roman (specficially Coptic Popes) are explicitly mentioned. -- Sсοττ 5834 talk 18:29, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * These "keep" votes misunderstand or misrepresent the situation. There is already an article on the Coptic Orthodox Pope and Patriarch of Alexandria; it is "Pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria. This article-- Pope of Alexandria-- is about all the various Patriarchs of Alexandria (Coptic Orthodox, Latin, Greek Orthodox, Coptic Catholic, and Melkite Greek Catholic) and thus exactly the same subject as Patriarch of Alexandria-- but some of these Patriarchs of Alexandria use only the term "Patriarch," not Pope. At the very least the two identical articles need to be merged! şṗøʀĸ şṗøʀĸ:  τᴀʟĸ 20:39, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Scott, your notes only apply to articles on individual Popes, such as Pope Demetrius of Alexandria. This article, Pope of Alexandria is about neither the Coptic Orthodox Pope in general, nor a particular Coptic Orthodox Pope.
 * If anything, the articles need to be merged under Pope of Alexandria and NOT under Patriarch of Alexandria. Your request is like saying that the article "Pope of Rome" should become "Bishop of Rome" or "Patriarch of Rome"!!! The head of the Sea of Alexandria is known as Pope of Alexandria and the article must reflect this. The fact that the Catholics in Egypt follow the Church of Rome and thus only use the term "Patriarch of Alexandria" is irrelevant in this case because the article is about the term Pope of Alexandria and not about these uniate Christians who did not even exist 200 years ago. For 1800 years, the Church of Alexandria has been headed by the Pope of Alexandria (longer that the usage of the term "Pope of Rome" for the Catholic Church), and this fact must be reflected in Wikipedia. -- λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ [talk] 05:24, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. Patriarch of Alexandria has plenty of space to be expanded to include more info if needed. A redirect from Pope of Alexandria to Patriarch of Alexandria should be enough for people searching using the "Pope" title. &bull; Astynax talk 01:31, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Restore to redirect - Acknowledging that there is some validity to the title "Pope of Alexandria", there seems to be very little content relevant to it that does not also relate to the "Patriarch of Alexandria" article, which seriously weakens the apparent need for the article. The relevant information about the use of this title could easily be fit into that article, with the redirect reestablished. John Carter (talk) 21:37, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect to Patriarch of Alexandria. Unnecessary fork. PhilKnight (talk) 00:29, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.