Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Population statistics for Israeli West Bank Outposts


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Author may wish to contribute to wikisource. Cool Hand Luke 03:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Population statistics for Israeli West Bank Outposts

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Possible speedy delete based on WP:RS, WP:NOT, WP:OR and possible WP:COPYVIO The leading paragraph of the article/page is a OR collection of unreferenced claims. In fact, EVERY sentence is POV and false. The article is missing context, the list lacks any form of logical structure, and both basically confusing to a reader unfamiliar with the subject or even one very familiar. The main section is a list which is merely a copy&pasted spreadsheet from a non-neutral and highly controversial organization and there is also virtually no way to verify/confirm the data. The disputed list already exists 1:1 on the 'source' website, there is no reason to reprint it again on WP. The list is not even legitimate material to merge to Population statistics for Israeli West Bank settlements Shuki 20:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletions.   -- Shuki 20:14, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Neutral It's useful. You say every sentence is NPOV. I assume you mean POV or not-NPOV. You also seem angry--Pheonix15 20:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. Not angry, in fact I'm also surprisingly AGF on this one too. --Shuki 20:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Sorry for being a dick. I just thought that the reason for deletion seemed a bit agressive. Your reply seems to show that it wasn't meant to sound like that--Pheonix15 18:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not backing off the AFD or its reasons none of which accused the creator of POV or POINT (which would usually be expected whenever the subject of settlements in Israel is brought up). If the list, its premise and its data could be confirmed by an objective entity, then there might be a case to keep. Now that I think about it, the main subject at hand 'outposts' is not even explained/developed on the main 'Israeli settlement' article or otherwise so this list is like coming out of nowhere on top of everything else. --Shuki 19:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete It doesn't strike me as very non-neutral - could you provide an example? I will agree that we don't really need self-confessed statistical information, but if the article can be fleshed out some, this could be useful. It's hard to tell if the file is copyrighted or not, as the source site is in Hebrew and the search on the English version doesn't work. We of course have to assume copyright, so I'd say delete for now unless we can prove otherwise. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 20:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak delete I'm not really familiar with the state of the settement articles, but I suspect this is a POV-fork of one of them, made for the purpose of introducing Peace Now statistics, which are probably contested by the government. As such, its simply the reprinting of a primary source with a bit of numerical analysis. That said, if it could be fleshed out into 'Demographics of Israeli Settlements in the West Bank', it might be useful. But, like List of Idol Temples above, that can be best done, IMO, by deletion and re-creation in time. Hornplease 01:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete or Transwiki per "Articles which are primarily comprised of statistical data may be better suited for inclusion in Wikisource as freely available reference material for the construction of related encyclopedic articles on that topic" in WP:NOT Corpx 23:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete-Unless major editing is done to this article, it should be deleted. The only source I see is a spreadsheet that gives no reference as to where it is from. Many of the outposts listed, are not considered outposts; for example the British police station. Another example is the outpost listed as unknown. How can you add an outpost to the list unknown. Nothing is listed under the outpost except that it is in Hebron hills. This article does not represent accurate facts in it's current format. Leppi 08:19, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.