Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Porn 'n Chicken (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Daniel (talk) 10:44, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Porn 'n Chicken
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No lasting notability after their fifteen minutes ended way back in 2001. Definitely fails WP:NFILM. Article has never had any viable third-party coverage of the club nor the movie since its expansion in 2005, with only Yale-related publications cited. sixty nine  • whaddya want? •  09:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  09:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The article indicates references to articles in the NYT and various other very reliable sources. Shouldn't this count? Also Google Books offers quite a few references, etc, etc. Also, the 1st Afd was a very clear keep and found the film notable (see template above, right) and I am inviting other users to check it. Keep and clean up.- My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)  11:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Organizations, Sexuality and gender, Connecticut,  and New York.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  11:45, 7 December 2023 (UTC)


 * ....So that it was covered in a number of independent reliable secondary sources. Have you looked at the sources apart from TCM? The New York Times covered it...and the Daily Pennsylvanian, and The Daily Press, Variety, etc, etc. So non notable, how? The page mentions a few of these. Has any basic check been performed, here? - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)  14:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC) (this was a reply to a comment that's been removed; I leave it as the sources presented may be of use))

″While at Yale, Mr. Newman gained a bit of notoriety for being a founding member of a group that called itself “Porn ‘N Chicken” and claimed to get together on Friday nights to watch pornographic movies and eat fried chicken. The group also announced plans to make a pornographic film of its own among the Yale library stacks featuring real students. The movie was never made, but Comedy Central made a cable television movie in 2002 based on the incident.
 * Aside from the massive torrent of press that this received back in 2000-2001, it continues to be referred to in the major media. The most recent reference in the New York Times is from 2015. "Yale Graduate Who Promoted CrossFit Ventures Is Arrested," New York Times, 21 May 2015:

Mr. Newman wrote about his involvement with “Porn ‘N Chicken” on the blog on his website, which includes quotes from various news articles over the last decade that have called him a “Silicon Valley pro” and an “Internet elder statesmen.”

In a few seconds of checking I also see a 2007 discussion by ABC News. "Please Check Your Clothes at the Door," ABC News, 10 January 2007: "Also in the late 1990s, a secret society called "Porn 'n Chicken," met together to watch pornographic movies while eating fried chicken in the nude, sources tell ABCNEWS.com."

Porn 'n' Chicken, however ridiculous, probably has more notable references than half the pages on Wikipedia.Uucp (talk) 01:21, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: Wouldn't take too much stock in a 2005 AfD discussion, since notability thresholds were much different then, but it appears that this subject meets the WP:GNG due to independent WP:SIGCOV from multiple sources. In addition, the 2015 NYT article shows this topic meets WP:SUSTAINED. User:Let'srun 18:35, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Ok, I think it's clear this will be kept, but if the folks who made the effort to dig up sources for the discussion wouldn't mind also helping fix up the article, that would be great. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  06:03, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't mind doing it. But anyone can do it, yourself included. Best. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)  09:03, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


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