Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Port City Java


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep. --Tikiwont 10:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Port City Java

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little content, notability, unsourced. This is an encyclopedia, not the yellow pages. Jameson L. Tai 15:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep. and expand on the Dubai deal. Mystache 15:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. Done. Carson 17:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep per Mystache Jauerback 15:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Reasonable stub. Colonel Warden 18:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per Colonel Warden. --Gwern (contribs) 18:51 26 October 2007 (GMT)
 * Keep Needs expansion but is notable enough. Gonzo fan2007  talk ♦ contribs 22:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Does not fit into WP:DEL or WP:NOT, and has secondary articles per WP:N.Carson 17:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. I live in North Carolina.  This isn't a notable business.  If it gets kept, it needs sources at a minimum.  What is the difference between this and an advertisement?  Mindraker 23:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. It's more of a southeastern business, covering from what I can tell Wilmington/Jacksonville/Raleigh. It doesn't blanket the state, that's for sure. Carson 16:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Comment. I agree, that's why I nominated the article for deletion in the first place.  I have told the user to use   and   so he could continue editing the article in hopes that the article would survive, but it has not been the case.  Since nominating for AfD, the article's been practically untouched while the user continues to add more userboxes in his user page and ranting about "Tagging passes the buck.  Deleting a good stub is akin to sheer laziness.  Quoting a WP reference page every few lines to back-up your maliciousness only goes to show your lack of understanding of the core of this project."  It's sad.  Really sad.  Jameson L. Tai 23:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. So, what exactly happened to "focus on the content, not the contributor"? How is calling me sad not akin to a personal attack? Also, that was posted on my user page, not directed at you in general. Mate, get off your high horse. Carson 16:45, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

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 * Comment. Is there a standard bar for notability on coffee houses and restaurants? If this is akin to advertising, then so be it -- there are enough restaurant articles to fill a volume, some of similar notability, and they should be purged. I should have clarified -- this isn't "all over" NC/SC, but is more coastal (Wilmington carries at least 8-10). I agree that it's not the most notable in terms of international, and under different circumstances I might agree with a VfD. However, it is a chain, and it is expanding into the Middle East, making it, in a sense, an international business. Just what does it take to make something worthy of an article on Wikipedia? Carson 16:45, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

A template has been added to the article Port City Java, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with db-author. Jameson L. Tai 12:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Please use the Wikipedia Sandbox when you are trying to create an article. I routinely perform new page patrols and I nominate articles that are not article-like or have major issues for speedy deletion.  In your case, it is not nominated for speedy deletion, only nominated for regular WP:AfD.  Please continue to work on your article and place   and   so that an admin doesn't delete your article while you're still editing.  At the time I nominated your article seemed nothing more than a "yellow pages" listing.  If you want to see that article survive, please expand the article and provide sources to justify why it is a notable article.  Good luck and happy editing!  :-)  Have a great day.  Jameson L. Tai 12:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Just because I have a different method of starting an article doesn't make it wrong. I understand that the first edit was a tad lacking, but wouldn't it have made more sense to actually try and verify the shop as opposed to just assuming it lacks notability and marking it? I'm sorry, I just disagree with your methods -- I feel new articles should be allowed to flesh out before being nominated for deletion.
 * I know you're just trying to help, but stuff like this really puts people off. Ease off a bit, not everyone is out to spam Wikipedia with useless articles. Check the user. Check the article. Dig in and at least Google the name before assuming the worse. Carson 12:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The validity of the request to delete your article is verifiable by Wikipedia standards. As the article undergoes further editing, I have provided you tools to help keep your article.  When I nominated your article for deletion, it was in fact unsourced and have notability issues.  The article still has notability issues right now.  The entire article (excluding external links) composes of two sentences.  The five external links composes of the coffee shop's website and four short articles.  Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, which means, (to quote that article), "Someone or something that has been in the news for a brief period is not necessarily a suitable subject for an article in their own right."
 * I did not randomly apply a speedy deletion tag because it didn't warrant one. Your complaints are now borderline No personal attacks.  Please... (to quote that article) "Comment on content, not on the contributor."
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 * weak delete There are still no references for notability--when the chain actually has built its branches into Dubai, and the media notices it, then it might be notable.DGG (talk) 20:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep Article created 2007-10-26T12:18:10. AfD filed 2007-10-26T15:02:50 Looks like a bad faith nomination. I can't tell if it is notable or not. But the person who created the article was still working on it when the AfD was submitted. Needs 3rd party sources.  WP:CORP guidelines need to be added. Infobox would help.  jonathon 03:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes the Mzoli's test for me, give it some time to develop.  And then give it some more time.  Bur nt sau ce  16:27, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.