Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Post-grunge lit


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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:12, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Post-grunge lit

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Zero sources cited use this term other than a self-published source, the PhD thesis. This is a non-notable neologism. I WP:PRODed this, after the associated category was deleted (twice), but the prod was removed on the basis that "WP:SCHOLARSHIP says a completed PhD dissertation that is publicly available can be used as a source". Whether the source can be is not the issue. It, and everything else used in the article (which are about grunge lit not post-grunge lit, or about specific works that the thesis author calls post-grunge but which these sources don't), do not collectively constitute multiple instances of in-depth coverage in independent, reliable sources. This fails the general notability guideline. What I'm seeing on the Web is blogs not quality sources, and some may well have gotten the term from our own article. Others appear to be using the phrase in a French context, which has nothing to do with the subject of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SMcCandlish (talk • contribs) 18:17, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 02:12, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete. A genre invented by one person in one academic paper. No significant coverage of it in independent sources. A paragraph on it is already included in the the Grunge lit article (whether it is important enough for inclusion or not is another question), and there is nothing further that could realistically be merged across. Kb.au (talk) 07:38, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's seems pretty reasonable to mention it at Grunge lit (though that should maybe be moved to Grunge literature per MOS:ABBR, unless RS overwhelmingly use only the abbreviated form) . The author of the nominated-for-deletion spinoff article is correct that a PhD thesis can be used as a source for something non-controversial (and there's nothing controversial about the fact that the author of that paper is the one who came up with the post-grunge lit term in this context – it's central to this AfD); meanwhile it been picked up by at least a handful of other writers, albeit almost entirely in the blogosphere.  There's no prohibition on mentioning relevant neologisms with sources in article text; Wikipedia just doesn't want entire articles about non-notable ones, per WP:Wikipedia is not a dictionary and Wikipedia is not for things someone made up one day.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  09:08, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There's also a couple of paragraphs on it at Australian literature. A merge somewhere seems sensible. --Colapeninsula (talk) 14:37, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The same editor added that material.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  20:38, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence that this term is used in any reliable sources other than the thesis. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:57, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete we do not build topic articles on one person's PHD dissertation that coined a new term.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:05, 13 January 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.