Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Potpisani


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Scanned copies of newspapers do verify that reliable sources exists and count toward proving notability v/r - TP 15:37, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Potpisani

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"Underground TV series" (what does this mean?). No reliable sources. The only references in article are some scanned pages from photobucket. See for example this reference, it is impossible to tell where this is published. The article should be deleted.  В и к и  T   13:45, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep: There is a lot of references: scanned pages from most popular newspapers in Serbia (Politika, Novosti, Glas javnosti), web pages of meny popular Serbian agencies, networks and film institutions (B92, Glas javnosti, Film Center of Serbia, Culture house of Campus...), official website of TV series "Potpisani" in English and in Serbian...This article should not be deleted.--Astreriks (talk) 20:47, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Scanned pages are no reliable source, and there is no proof that those pages are from this newspapers. Also, it is possible that links to scanned pages are copyright violation, and those links should be removed.-- В и к и  T   10:45, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.   В и к и  T   13:45, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Serbia-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:42, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:42, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep: The serie appears notable; also not considering the article's references, there are a lot of available sources (via Google) searching for the name in cyrillic ("Потписани") which demonstrate that the series has received enough attention to support a claim of notability. --Cavarrone (talk) 21:06, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Can you provide at least one reliable source. I must draw your attention to the word "потписани". It is widely used word in the Serbian language and means "signed". So, if you are searching for the name in cyrillic ("Потписани"), you will get many results. I will now tell you what are the first results on google:
 * "Потписани" (article on serbian wikipedia which is proposed for deletion);
 * military of Serbia signed agreement with representatives of religious communities;
 * Signed agreements on co-financing of five environmental projects;
 * Signed agreements;
 * Signed contracts worth three million;
 * Signed Agreements about cooperation;
 * Signed Agreement on air and maritime transport with russia;
 * Signed contracts of employment;
 * Sarajevo:Signed Agreement on the Sava River bridge. Do you see any reliable source about this series?-- В и к и  T   21:39, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * That`s not true. The first results on google are:


 * 1) POTPISANI - 01 - Telefonska centrala 1/5 - YouTube (that`s about serie)
 * 2) POTPISANI (www.indexovo.agitprop.rs/potpisan.htm)
 * 3) Potpisani - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (that`s about serie)
 * 4) Корисник:Drozim/Потписани – Википедија (that`s about serie)
 * 5) Potpisani sporazumi (Signed agreements)

Well, 3 of first 5 results are about serie Potpisani, everyone can see that here. And the title of serie in english is Undersigned, not Signed. If you search in Google this serie as Undersigned, you will get many results too. --Astreriks (talk) 06:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * And also to mention that all articles on other language wikipedias are written by the same user (User:Asteriks), so this can easily be crosswiki spam.
 * bs wiki (revision history)
 * da wiki (revision history)
 * es wiki (revision history)
 * fr wiki (revision history)
 * hr wiki (revision history)
 * it wiki (revision history)
 * mk wiki (revision history)
 * sl wiki (revision history)
 * sh wiki (revision history)
 * sv wiki (revision history)-- В и к и  T   10:58, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. A low-budget/no-budget parody project whose 2 episodes were published on few really local televisions (Metropolis TV and Art TV -- "Art TV lost its license..., now it continues as a cable-only station") and minor projections. The "references" are either excerpts from TV schedules, or passing mentions, like this one for "First review of independent off-films of Serbia". The most they had is this TV announcement for Art TV in Politika, which admits that "due to lack of funding and professional equipment, only two episodes were shot so far, but [the author] hopes...", and which I cannot find in Politika's archives. In my book, this is really sub-standard notability even for this type of project. No such user (talk) 12:03, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * 4 episodes (not 2) of this film series were published on two differnet televisions in several times on each televisions. "Art Tv" is really artistic TV station with special cultural and artistic standards and program, it`s not comercial TV station. Text in Politika, the newspaper with the greatest tradition in Serbia, and interview with autor of Potpisani was made 2009., and after that he shot 2 film episodes more. So, it`s not only hopes...it`s reality.--Astreriks (talk) 19:41, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * By the way, are you aware about our policies about conflict of interest? I don't have a slightest doubt about your identity, as you're completely focused on articles about Marko Kovač. You seem to engage in blatant self-promotion. I wonder, how long did it took to scan and upload all those newspaper clips, such as about winning a this Samsung home theatre award. No such user (talk) 07:47, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but it`s not true. I focused on articles about art, especially about film, about series, about TV programs...you can see that here...some of these articles are about art projects of my friends, colleagues and idols: Marko Kovac, Darko Bajic, Sergio Leone, David Zucker etc...--Astreriks (talk) 13:15, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * ; I'm not sure those are all about the series though Stuartyeates (talk) 08:41, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No, they are not about series. Use google translate to see, but I already explained what is the meaning of the word in serbian.-- В и к и  T   10:13, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * sources "Potpisani undersigned"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Astreriks (talk • contribs) 07:05, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
 * sources "Potpisani"
 * sources "Потписани"
 * sources "Undersigned"

--Astreriks (talk) 07:01, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
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