Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poupette Kenza


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 07:43, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Poupette Kenza

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article about an non-notable influencer Panam2014 (talk) 15:38, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2023 April 17.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 15:54, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Women,  and France. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:37, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep The Huff Post is rehashing celebrity gossip, the Monde and Parisien seem ok-ish, Le Monde appears to be a decent article about her, but it's pay-walled. She's accused of mistreating her children and is under judicial watch (I'm not familiar with the intricacies of French child-welfare laws, but she's being monitored by the authorities). Rest are typical fluff articles. Oaktree b (talk) 18:17, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Brief profile of her on France Inter,, I think she's notable. Oaktree b (talk) 18:19, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Internet and Morocco.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:48, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. A portrait in Le Monde... and the list goes beyond... — Preceding unsigned comment added by CassiJevenn (talk • contribs)
 * Comment There may be sufficient sources for an article, but just because we could have an article does not mean that we should. Elinruby (talk) 17:17, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, if it meets GNG, she's notable. "Influcencer" is a job now, we recognize it. Oaktree b (talk) 18:11, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It is a short-term notablity. Sources have been produced in end 2022/early 2023. Panam2014 (talk) 21:21, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Several of those sources mention her as the most followed French influencer, that's something. Oaktree b (talk) 23:54, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 21:17, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - The 28 Dec 2022 France Inter piece appears to be a podcast opinion post, so not really a news profile that could otherwise be stronger support. Based on what I can view of the 18 Mar 2023 Le Monde source, that looks like a news profile. But there does not seem to be WP:SUSTAINED coverage to help us write a balanced biography or more than a WP:BROCHURE at this time. I also removed content from the article that seems problematic per WP:BLP policy, and I think WP:BLP policy adds support for deletion at this time. WP:GNG is not the only consideration for notability; per WP:N, we should also consider WP:NOT, and this appears to be an article that should be excluded per e.g. WP:NOTSCANDAL (which links to BLP policy), and WP:PROMO (what seems to remain after problematic BLP content is removed). Beccaynr (talk) 23:51, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment There's also this from Le Parisien which discusses her legal issues in a neutral tone.Oaktree b (talk) 14:26, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:BLP policy is about more than the tone of coverage, and the brief 21 Feb 2023 Le Parisien report is filed in the "Faits divers" ("Miscellaneous facts", per Google Translate) section, opens by introducing Kenza as "Habituée des polémiques" ("Accustomed to controversy", according to Google Translate), reports allegations against her, her quotes, and mentions the Le Monde profile. Overall, the limited available coverage appears to focus on scandal/WP:BLP problems - coverage includes her statements (not independent), scandal and gossip (not encyclopedic), allegations of criminal conduct (which we should seriously consider not including) related to children (see WP:AVOIDVICTIM) over a limited time, mixed in with mentions of how popular she has recently been on social media. Deletion policy seems to support deletion under these circumstances.
 * From my view, trying to construct a biography based on limited mentions of her recent popularity and a general description of her social media activity creates an advertisement, not an encyclopedia article - there appears to be no support for WP:CREATIVE or WP:ENTERTAINER notability that we would typically expect to help balance articles. Per WP:BIO, "Notable" in the sense of being famous or popular—although not irrelevant—is secondary and WP:BASIC states, Articles may still not be created for such people if they fall under exclusionary criteria, [...] such as those listed in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. At this time, this article seems squarely within WP:NOT, and there also does not appear to be sufficient depth, independence, and sustained coverage in reliable sources to support WP:BASIC notability for a standalone article. Beccaynr (talk) 15:45, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete no long-term coverage.
 * Panam2014 (talk) 15:10, 28 April 2023 (UTC) Ambox warning pn.svg — Duplicate vote: Panam2014 (talk • contribs) has already cast a vote above.  (as AfD nominator) Beccaynr (talk) 15:31, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Nominating an article does not necessary imply that the people supports the deletion. Panam2014 (talk) 16:58, 28 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Due to WP:SUSTAINED. MrsSnoozyTurtle 05:56, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Source eval:
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!Comments!!Source
 * Promo bio||1.  "Poupette Kenza : qui est cette nouvelle influenceuse ?". Ohmymag (in French). 2023-01-16. Retrieved 2023-03-28.
 * Seems like gossip column news||2. ^ ""Elle pleure comme si elle avait perdu un proche" : Poupette Kenza effondrée après avoir perdu son compte Snapchat, les internautes se moquent d'elle". purebreak.com (in French). Retrieved 2023-03-28.
 * Meets IS RS SIGCOV||3. ^ "Rouen. L'influenceuse Poupette Kenza visée par une enquête pénale réagit dans TPMP". actu.fr (in French). Retrieved 2023-03-28.
 * Promo||4. ^ Jump up to:a b "Poupette Kenza débarque sur TikTok et pulvérise tous les records !". MCE TV (in French). 2023-01-24. Retrieved 2023-03-28.
 * Meets IS RS SIGCOV||5. ^ "Poupette Kenza, la Française la plus suivie sur Snapchat". France Inter (in French). 2022-12-28. Retrieved 2023-03-28.
 * Meets IS RS SIGCOV||6. ^ Jump up to:a b "Poupette Kenza exhibe sa vie de femme au foyer à son million d'abonnés sur Snapchat". Le Monde.fr (in French). 2023-02-18. Retrieved 2023-03-28.
 * Promo||7. ^ "TPMP - les internautes atterrés par l'interview de l'influenceuse Poupette". Yahoo News (in French). Retrieved 2023-03-28.
 * Photos, not SIGCOV||8. ^ "Découvrez les photos des nombreuses robes de Poupette lors de son mariage féerique !". Public.fr (in French). Retrieved 2023-03-28.
 * Routine entertainment news||9. ^ "People: Poupette Kenza quitte la France et s'installe à Dubaï". 20 minutes (in French). 2023-04-08. Retrieved 2023-04-19.
 * Meets IS RS SIGCOV ||(from above) https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/poupette-kenza-visee-par-des-accusations-je-nai-jamais-maltraite-mes-enfants-21-02-2023-WTW2VEFJ5JFCHHGYH5I4RYNMNM.php
 * }
 * Two of the above I've marked IS RS SIGCOV are questionable. I can't !v to keep even though subject has sources; I don't think this passes BLP policy. Just because there can be an article, doesn't mean there should be an article and  // Timothy :: talk  17:48, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Promo||7. ^ "TPMP - les internautes atterrés par l'interview de l'influenceuse Poupette". Yahoo News (in French). Retrieved 2023-03-28.
 * Photos, not SIGCOV||8. ^ "Découvrez les photos des nombreuses robes de Poupette lors de son mariage féerique !". Public.fr (in French). Retrieved 2023-03-28.
 * Routine entertainment news||9. ^ "People: Poupette Kenza quitte la France et s'installe à Dubaï". 20 minutes (in French). 2023-04-08. Retrieved 2023-04-19.
 * Meets IS RS SIGCOV ||(from above) https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/poupette-kenza-visee-par-des-accusations-je-nai-jamais-maltraite-mes-enfants-21-02-2023-WTW2VEFJ5JFCHHGYH5I4RYNMNM.php
 * }
 * Two of the above I've marked IS RS SIGCOV are questionable. I can't !v to keep even though subject has sources; I don't think this passes BLP policy. Just because there can be an article, doesn't mean there should be an article and  // Timothy :: talk  17:48, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Meets IS RS SIGCOV ||(from above) https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/poupette-kenza-visee-par-des-accusations-je-nai-jamais-maltraite-mes-enfants-21-02-2023-WTW2VEFJ5JFCHHGYH5I4RYNMNM.php
 * }
 * Two of the above I've marked IS RS SIGCOV are questionable. I can't !v to keep even though subject has sources; I don't think this passes BLP policy. Just because there can be an article, doesn't mean there should be an article and  // Timothy :: talk  17:48, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Two of the above I've marked IS RS SIGCOV are questionable. I can't !v to keep even though subject has sources; I don't think this passes BLP policy. Just because there can be an article, doesn't mean there should be an article and  // Timothy :: talk  17:48, 4 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per the above source evaluation. The subject is not convered in depth in reliable sources. No prejudice against recreation in the future should additional coverage develop. BD2412  T 01:30, 5 May 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.