Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Power Sword


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Tone 23:03, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Power Sword

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A minute fictional prop. There is no evidence this object received any scholarly or otherwise in-depth analysis that goes beyond WP:PLOT summaries and lists mentioning media this appeared in. Therefore this fails WP:NFICTION/GNG. SOFTDELETE is problematic as this relatively generic term is used in other franchises as well (ex. WH40K). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:27, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  05:27, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Toughpigs (talk) 06:28, 28 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: The Power Sword isn't just a minute prop; it's crucial to the character's portrayal. I've added information to the article about the different creative decisions made by Mattel, the cartoon producers and the film producers about how the Power Sword was used in the different adaptations; this is real-world info from How He-Man Mastered the Universe: Toy to Television to the Big Screen by Brian C. Baer, McFarland (2017). There is also real-world coverage of the Power Sword's design and use in:
 * Mastering the Universe: He-Man and the Rise and Fall of a Billion-Dollar Idea by Roger Sweet and David Wecker, Emmis Books (2005)
 * The Art of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe, Dark Horse Books (2015)
 * He-Man and the Masters of the Universe: A Character Guide and World Compendium, Dark Horse Books (2017)
 * This is independent coverage in reliable sources, and demonstrates notability. -- Toughpigs (talk) 08:11, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I am happy to AGF your claim, but at the same time I will ask you for quotations to help us confirm it (and hopefully we can use that content to expand the article). I notice you did not provide page ranges for your suggestions. Sadly, Mastering the Universe: He-Man and the Rise and Fall of a Billion-Dollar Idea is no preview to me on Google Books, nor can I locate it on LibGen (I'd appreciate information on how you got your copy, and no, I am in no position to go to a library as I don't live near any place that holds this work). Also, Clerisy Press is a very minor publisher, and I do wonder if they are reliable. Moving on, The Art of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe - I was able to access this book through GB preview, but all mentions I see (pages 224, 11, 209 and 71) are strictly in-passing and plot summaries. Page 67 is restricted, but snippet view also appears in passing. I'd appreciate if you would tell us what I missed here, and where in this book is there an in-depth coverage of this topic. Also, it is published by Dark Horse Comics, so it could be considered PRIMARY or at least not independent of the subject. Which is also the case for your position #3, He-Man and the Masters of the Universe: A Character Guide and World Compendium, from the same publisher. I have reviewed pages 442-443, and 458-461, as well as 208, and again I don't see anything outside in passing mentions of some plot summary. Please, do tell us which parts of this book cover the topic in depth. (And why do you think that a book published by the very same publisher of a comic in question can be considered an independent source in the meaning of GNG).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:08, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Piotrus, I've added quite a bit to the article today, including all of the books that I mentioned, with page numbers (except for the Character Guide, which I own on Kindle and don't have the hard copy page numbers). Your sarcastic assumption of good faith is noted; please remember to be civil. -- Toughpigs (talk) 00:22, 1 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Another WP:POINT-nomination after a shot down PROD. The Banner  talk 09:19, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to He-Man. It's a part of the character. It literally needs all of three sentences of description. TTN (talk) 12:00, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirects are usually good (WP:CHEAP and so on) but as I noted in the op, in this case is this really the primary context? For me, I associate power swords in fiction with WH40K, not He-man... . --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Are there enough uses where a disambiguation page would be a good idea? Searching, it seems like He-Man is definitely the primary used version on Wikipedia. It seems there are a few other mentions of capitalized "Power Sword," but it's hard to say if those are really enough to justify a disamgib page. TTN (talk) 12:25, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Capitalized - good point. I guess WH40k item is power sword which does not even exist (and probably should not be created anyway). So, fair, redirect can be an option (from Power Sword). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:06, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per the improvements and the WP:Point approach that these fiction deletions from Piotrus appear to be taking -- its feels like the fiction space in the last few months have been under assault -- and its catching a lot of good stuff in the process, Sadads (talk) 16:58, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Update: I worked on the page today, and added lots of sources. In addition to specific passages from the four books that I listed above, I also added:
 * He-Man and the Masters of the Universe: The Newspaper Comic Strips by James Shull and Chris Weber, Dark Horse Books (2017)
 * The Washington Post, the Nashville Tennessean, the Baltimore Sun, the Hartford Courant and United Press International, all talking about the Power Sword as a sought-after Christmas gift in various newspaper articles from 1987 to 2003.
 * I believe that this is enough to establish GNG notability. -- Toughpigs (talk) 00:27, 1 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I am afraid this time I am not convinced by improvements to change my vote. You've referenced the WP:PLOT and added information that it was made into some toys, neither of which seems relevant. Plot is unsufficient, referenced or not, to demonstrate notability, while being made into toys is common enough to not be relevant. Not every product is notable. We would need in-depth coverage of a toy's impact or reception, not mention in passing that it exists. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:54, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. I see no particular problem with this article. It looks good. Unclear why it was prodded then AfDd. gidonb (talk) 02:37, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


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