Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pragatisheel Bahujan Samaj Party


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Ultimately, WP:N is a consequence of WP:V: if there are no reliable sources about this party, we have no verifiable content to put in an article.  Sandstein  08:50, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Pragatisheel Bahujan Samaj Party

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Declined PROD. Original PROD reason from was "Fails WP:NORG due to lack of multiple, sustained, significant coverage in independent, reliable sources."

Declined by with comment "Held 4 seats in state legislature, thus easily passes minimum notability criteria for political parties. Lack of references is not, in itself, cause for deletion".

As we do not currently have an SNG for political parties that I am aware of, we default to NORG, which specifically mentions political parties. NORG requires significant coverage in independent sources, and if they do not exist for this minor splinter party (I didn't find any either), then we cannot maintain the article. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 06:33, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 06:39, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 06:39, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 06:39, 13 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete: per my original rationale and PMC’s expansion on it. Many thanks,   SITH   (talk)   08:54, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - parties represented in legislatures are notable, and it is an established in-house practice not to delete articles on parties represented in legislatures. Article now sourced. When reflecting of NORG, it must be understood that the online media landscape in India (and in particular, in regards to regional media in a state like MP) looked very different in 1999 than 2019. Having a reliable source on the legislative representation ought to be sufficient for retaining the article, keeping in mind that the BSP split would have been well covered in regional, print media at the time. --Soman (talk) 09:40, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete agree with the nom that the subject failed WP:NORG, the article is completely based on WP:OR none of the 2 sources mentioned in the article mention what the article claims. Based on my own independent research on the subject, there is absolute lack of reliable sources about the subject. the WP:ORGCRITE is miles away from being met. Per NORG the subject needs significant coverage in "multiple" independent, reliable secondary sources. Soman please remember WP:Wikipedia is not a reliable source, you should not use information in the article as evidence to claim notability without verifying the information yourself and adding reliable third party sources to back up your claim. Assertion of notability lacking reliable sources that can prove WP:ORGCRITE is not helping the AfD discussion in any way.-- D Big X ray ᗙ  13:42, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Where is Wikipedia used as the source?? --Soman (talk) 16:04, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * In your keep vote above, you have used the article as it stands right now as a basis. The subject right now, cannot even be verified, notability is far off. You stated "...represented in legislatures" can you provide a source that states the same ? I am aware of the source situation in India, I am equally aware of the promotional editing done by the members of the non notable political parties in the area. The article is "not" sourced right now, it has fake refs. I am willing to reconsider my delete vote, if we can find sources that can claim passing of WP:ORGCRITE, from what I searched, there isn't any. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  19:40, 13 January 2019 (UTC) [Struck based on below 13:26, 14 January 2019 (UTC)]
 * I'm not generally here to argue with people supporting my AfD nom, but the sources Soman added do support the facts in the article (do a Ctrl+F search for "Pragatisheel"). That being said, given that both are government reports and aren't even that in-depth, I still don't think they support the claim of notability under NORG. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:10, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind note, I stand corrected. Might have mistyped the spelling during Ctrl +F. The parliament journal mentions the split. And that is the only passing mention it had, which is not sufficient for WP:ORGCRIT-- D Big X ray ᗙ  13:26, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, in that, we fully agree. (Side note for anyone reading: the second source is actually worse than I thought. It only provides the names of the four people mentioned in the article and doesn't include any details about them or the party they split to form). &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 13:34, 14 January 2019 (UTC)


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