Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pragma SSH ClientSuite


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and salt. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:01, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Pragma SSH ClientSuite

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )



Was PRODed with the rationale "non notable software-- no evidence of significance" which seems fair enough to me given the complete lack of any RS references. It has since been dePRODed by the author with the comment "We object to the deletion. Pragma SSH ClientSuite is a major commercial successful ssh client with thousands of paying customers at Fortune 500 and US Govt/US DoD. The entry will be improved in coming days, thanks for your patience." I a sorry to say that, when I realised that the author shares a name with the CEO of the company that makes this product, my patience pretty much evaporated. The article about the company does not demonstrate notability and is unreferenced too. Its original author also shared a name with a then senior employee of the company. The whole thing smells promotional and, following an (admittedly cursory) search for anything that demonstrates notability, I think both articles need to go. There is some sort off a relationship with Cisco but I'm not seeing much apart from press releases that could source it and notability is not inherited anyway. DanielRigal (talk) 19:47, 3 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. DanielRigal (talk) 20:30, 3 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete and salt all name variants I speedied it as well. Then it came back, and it hasn't grown any notability. I couldn't even find category reviews. GNews is three press releases. There is no evidence anyone cares about this software - David Gerard (talk) 23:18, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Here are comments from the article author who is a co-founder and current CEO of the company. I (quamrulmina the author) represent Pragma Systems who publishes "Pragma SSH ClientSuite" SSH client package. We were creating wiki entry for it and add to "ssh client comparision" table that is in wikipedia also. We are a legitimate good SSH vendor and this product is used by many for Windows SSH needs.

On the product's notability and Cisco relationship aspects. Pragma SSH ClientSuite is the only Cisco tested and certified RFC 6187 software in the market for SSH access to Cisco devices. Over 4 years partnership of Pragma with Cisco this software was developed. Cisco developed the RFC 6187 compliant SSH on the server side and Pragma developed the client side. US Govt IRS just bought on Sept 29, 2016, a large licence of Pragma SSH ClientSuite to manage their Cisco SSH networks. US DoD, US Army, Canadian Air Force are also big users of Pragma SSH ClientSuite. Oracle Cloud, McKesson, HSBC bank, Hilton hotels and many other companies are large users of Pragma's SSH offerings ( Pragma SSH ClientSuite and Pragma Fortress SSH Server ). US Govt OMB mandates RFC 6187 based 2-factor Govt PIV smart-card based authentication in place of password/SSH public key. Pragma SSH ClientSuite fills the need and that is why Cisco certified us and is promoting our client for use in Cisco networks. Our Cisco-Pragma white paper on 2factor ssh can be found at: http://www.pragmasys.com/products/support/cisco-2-factor

Oracle has OEM licensed Pragma SSH clients and servers for use in Oracle cloud. HSBC bank uses our SSH clients and servers worldwide in over 50 countries. McKesson ( Fortune #6) embeds Pragma SSH servers and clients in their Imaging stations. All these we are talking about paid customers. Thanks. Quamrul Mina. Co-founder, Pragma Systems, Inc. Quamrulmina (talk) 21:41, 4 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. DanielRigal (talk) 22:39, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete all as spam; strictly "product brochure" content on non notable software packages. Salt all as well. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:06, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:07, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


 * SNOW Delete and Salt as this is blatant advertising and it has become so serious that it simply restarts a ridiculous amount of times where it becomes severe, none of this establishes actual independent notability and substance and I'm not seeing anything to suggest there is otherwise. SwisterTwister   talk  03:09, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.