Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pragmata


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The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to List of Capcom games: N–R. This article can be restored when this subject is no longer "upcoming" but exists and has received coverage. Liz Read! Talk! 04:11, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Pragmata

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WP:TOOSOON for an upcoming title on indefinite hiatus with no substantive content independent of Capcom. The current iteration of the article has several problems, most of them being that it is unsourced and lacks WP:NPOV with its reception section comparing it spuriously to Death Stranding. A WP:BEFORE yields several secondary sources, but these only convey primary information such as descriptions of the promotional trailer and information in press releases about the game's delays. Even if the problems with the article are ignored, it strikes me that there is just not enough about this game to justify an article. Appreciate your views on this. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 04:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 04:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment This is a difficult one because the production is very likely notable (i.e. meets the videogame equivalent of WP:NFF). Even if it never gets released, it's likely it will meet WP:PERSISTENCE, and we have no good redirect targets like we do with, eg, Half Life 3. Due to this notability, if we don't improve the state of things and just delete, we'll likely get more similar articles and WP:NEWBIES will get bitten by speedy deletion, the next AfD, or other less-than-pleasant introductions. However as the nominator suggests, this article is very clearly promotional (both pseudo-corporate promo and fan promo). Maybe I'll take a quick pass and see what I can do. &mdash;siro&chi;o 05:06, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your thoughts. The pragmatic considerations (pun intended) you've raised are new to me, so I appreciate it! I definitely agree that improving the article is probably a preferable outcome for the reasons you've listed, although it probably needs a complete rewrite. Hopefully there's more sources out there that aren't just parroting the Capcom press release. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 05:17, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I took a pass at it, tried to reference everything to RS and removed the voice of the game's developer for the most part. Let me know what you think. In the meantime I am going to !vote keep. There's three separate incarnations of media coverage over 4 years, the most recent was 2 months ago. Secondary sources have reported on the development, some more dispassionately than others. I've tried to cite mostly dispassionate ones, especially those with a bit of secondary synthesis, not those that weren't just parroting the developer or concocting theories as primary sources. I think deletion at this juncture is more WP:CRYSTAL than keeping it, given what coverage we have. &mdash;siro&chi;o 06:51, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect To List of Capcom games: N–R. Currently fails WP:GNG as there is simply not enough information to provide a broad view of the topic. WP:TOOSOON for an article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:42, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Zxcvbnm. WP:TOOSOON for now. OceanHok (talk) 15:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


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