Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pranshu Chatur Lal (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Fails WP:GNG.

Thanks everyone for participating and if you disagree with this decision please take it to Deletion review - unless there is a tech issue. Thanks for assuming good faith and happy holidays! Missvain (talk) 02:30, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Pranshu Chatur Lal
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Hindu/Statesman/Express articles are all about memorials to his grand father. They contain a couple of sentences each about his concert as part of covering the whole series of concerts. Express article serving as the major source is credited to "Lifestyle Desk". None of it is significant enough to satisfy WP:BASIC. The ToI article is about him, but is too short, has no credited author and appears promotional. Hemanthah (talk) 18:40, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Hemanthah (talk) 18:40, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Hemanthah (talk) 18:40, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Hemanthah (talk) 18:40, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete essentially the same article that was deleted in previous afd, most sources do not mention him or if they do only in passing, no in-depth coverage, notability is not inherited from "famous" relatives. Theroadislong (talk) 18:54, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, I read your comment. This was the reasons for which the article got deleted in the first AFD discussion. After that when new coverages came, I  requested to the Admin  who had  previously closed the AFD discussion as DELETE. After that, when she had undeleted the article, she has checked everything and then only she had undeleted the article. The article is clearly passing WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. So I request you to check the previous discussions on the respective admin's talk page who had undeleted the article.Thank You Batamore (talk) 07:57, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The actual discussion tells me there was some hesitation and that you were to add better sources. What you added - kolkatamail - is from a marketing agency. Hemanthah (talk) 08:40, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response. I want to let you know that other than the Kolkata mail article, I have also added TOI article. I have sent the two above mentioned articles to Premeditated Chaos before undeletion and i believe only after reading those articles she had decided to undelete the article.Thanks Batamore (talk) 10:38, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep the discussion limited to the merits of the page/topic. What other editors think about it, they'll express if they wish to. Hemanthah (talk) 11:18, 10 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment:, it's essentially the same article that was deleted in previous afd because it is the same - I undeleted it per the above talk page request. , I was definitely not aware that Kolkata Mail was PR/unreliable, or I would never have undeleted on the basis of the Times of India piece alone. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:18, 10 December 2021 (UTC)


 * *Hi As you said Kolkata mail is a press release, Can you please let me know how to identify? It will help me to work better in other articles as well. Thank you Batamore (talk) 07:10, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , since you're the one who identified it as problematic, can you advise what tipped you off? It'll probably be helpful for any other participants or the closer as well. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 07:30, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Batamore, About page says "What sets us apart from the other entertainment portals is". FB page carries exclusively event photos and ads like this. Sole glassdoor review is from a content writer, not a journalist. Sparse twitter page. These are from just top results from this search. Hemanthah (talk) 07:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

So I think have provided enough reliable source and information about the subject. And hence the subject is meeting WP:NMUSICIAN.So I believe the subject shouldn't be deleted. Batamore (talk) 19:15, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep
 * 1) - The Hindu coverage is about his performance.
 * 2) - The Hindu This article is about Pranshu's opinion on Telangana Social Welfare School of Fine Arts.
 * 3) - Times Of India here in the article it's written about Pranshu's performance.
 * 4) - The Hindu this article is about Pranshu's performance and about the instrument he plays.
 * 5) - The Indian Express here you can see TIE mentioned him as The Prince Of Tabla and about those prestigious awards which he received.
 * 6) - The Statesman about his performance in a live concert.
 * 7) - Indian Talent Management from here I got his dob and some of his personal information.
 * 8) -the Hindu Here is in-depth information about the subject.
 * 9) - Times Of India this article is form TOI and the article is in depth.
 * 10) - financial express this is from Financial express. And here you will get information about the subject.
 * These are the same sources I analysed and found not suitable in the talk-page discussion linked above, in the exact same order and everything. The only new one is #10, the Financial Express article. Self-quoting here: "1 is about a concert for his grandfather and trivially mentions him, 2 quotes him but isn't about him, 3 has the same issue as 1, 4 is about someone else's concert that he happened to be an accompaniment for, 5 is a trivial mention ("prince of tabla" or not it doesn't go into any depth about him), 6 is probably the best so far as it actually contains a paragraph focusing on him, 7 is significant coverage but I'm dubious about the reliabilty as it's an online-only magazine, 8 is basically a scant paragraph about his performance." #9 is bylined to TNN, the TOI news agency, and looks press releasey to me now that I'm coming back to it. The new one, #10, is like #2 in that it quotes him but isn't about him. It's the same garbage sourcing as before and I'm not impressed by Batamore's attempt to snow any uninformed participants with a blizzard of poor sources that I've already told him are no good. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 20:25, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - Seems to have sources in The Hindu, Financial Express and TOI + is the grandson of Chatur Lal, who appears to be a renowned table player. Sohom Datta (talk) 07:41, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Who his grandfather is is irrelevant to his notability. The subject has to stand on the merits of the sourcing, which is, per my source analysis above, insufficient. In particular, you cite the Financial Express source as significant coverage, which shows you clearly didn't read it - it's a quote from him, not coverage about him, which doesn't support a claim to notability. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 08:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 11:27, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.