Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pratical high school


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  19:03, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Pratical high school

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Per WP:NSCHOOL, All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must satisfy either this guideline (WP:ORG) or the general notability guideline, or both. It currently contains zero sources, it doesn't look like it meets GNG. I did a quick BEFORE but I couldn't find any good sources, and articles on Google. Also the current text read like promotional. I'd note that it was draftified before by another NPP but the original creator created it the mainspace again with no improvements. Masum Reza 📞 22:36, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Masum Reza 📞  22:36, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Masum Reza 📞  22:36, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 23:02, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Comment - Moved. Since the nomination, the author of the article has moved it from Pratical high school to Practical high school, and I have moved it further to the correctly capitalised Practical High School (as recommended below by ). --David Biddulph (talk) 07:58, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. This is the only source I could find: . Functional toilets! But otherwise, absolutely no notability. Ajf773 (talk) 23:49, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG, couldn't find any secondary sources for the school. Tayi Arajakate (talk) 01:13, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. I hope that the article's claim that this high school with 750 students has only 104 books in its library is an error. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:32, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Meh, I seriously could not care less. Masum Reza 📞 03:16, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep.The school, mentioned in my article is too old or one of the oldest school that serves education in rural area of siwan district. I also added some citations or refrances to my article and also school code,  U-DISE (Unified District Information System for Education) code which is created by  Bihar School Examination Board, Patna, Bihar. also you may check it's existence on Bihar Goverment official website by using school/college name as Practical High School and college code as 92096. On http://biharboardonline.bihar.gov.in/school-college-directory.Sturdyankit (talk) 00:23, 19 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sturdyankit (talk • contribs) 00:15, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep it has potential. It is a tidy article. I can't see how the current text read like promotional, it reads like an inexperienced editor who hasn't yet mastered our expectations. The school now has sources, and we now have a local editor who is responding to our comments. For GNG we have to show that sources exist - so we will always have problems with Hindi medium rural schools but if we have the school number and the examboard number (we now do) we know that sources and local press reports will exist. No bureaucrat on earth can resist bragging or using the press to head off criticism. So how do we improve it, that is not our job- how do we help the local editor to improve it, that is our job. How - we talk not threaten. So Thank you for your effort so far. We are trying to establish WikiNotability. Can you list here 3 newspapers (in English or Hindi) where the school is mentioned. Usually it will be an article about good exam results, or bad exam results. The school has no running water. Is there a council paper, or newspaper talking about when water will arrive. Now some general questions, what is a government school building- how long is it, who high is it and is there a book that will tell us this. What do the students study? Are they poor and receiving state aid- what percentage and where is that printed. Where do the students go when they finish? Which college? Does the school follow a state program of study or follow one that is adapted- that can be discussed. All this important as it will help other Wikipedia editors to understand not just this school but other rural Indian Schools. ClemRutter (talk) 15:17, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Has potential isn't a good enough reason to keep in my opinion. The author has added a number of sources (in fact only three, repeated across the article) but I still cannot see any evidence of notability. Ajf773 (talk) 20:00, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Yup, it's not a valid and an argument to avoid. Please provide proof that multiple independent sources exists that discuss the subject in an in-depth manner (per GNG). I have yet to find any that establishes notability. If the editor wants to work on it, I suggest we draftify it. Also salt the page in mainspace as it appears that the editor in question has moved it back to mainspace without any improvements made. It is NOT ready for mainspace yet. It should go through WP:AFC process. Masum Reza 📞  02:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I hadn't planned to spend my Sunday morning arguing about the number of angels you can fit on a pinhead, because WP:AGF is fundamental to Wikipedia. WP:WPSCHOOLS exist to try and improve the quality of schools articles and we welcome constructive edits. Including those on schools outside the White Middle Class Protestant English speaking world. your opinion is probably right if you look at it from the POV of a diligent editor, a native speaker who has spend four years mastering the plethora of policies essays and judgements. However it is not a POV will be understood by a second language speaker just starting out. Instead of trying to apply policies that clearly do not work very well, try to give some advice to help  write an acceptable article on a rural Indian school. We at English Wikipedia, have a problem with this word- notability. Notability means a fact that is worth noting, it is notable. In the wider word notable has the sense of 'over and above the ordinary'. This school is probably typical, not out of the ordinary - but as such will be notable.-
 * Falling back on relying on WP:GNG for schools was a big mistake- contaversial and by no mean convincing. WP:GNG is far less binary in what is required than deletionista imagine, WP:ORGIN only demands that the significant sources should exist if we look in the right place. Looking further down the page WP:FAILN give detailed processes to follow. 1. Ask for help in finding sources. 2. Look for a suitable merge. 3. Rescue the material and then delete the page. Yes I find a lot of it confusing and contradictory. confusing and contradictory describes argument to avoid. There is a cultural difference in how we treat these discussion pages- between the absolutist, and the gnarled editor who treats it as a discussion that will lead to Quaker like concensus. Argument to avoid is a useful list, but as such it is an essay. The one I like most is WP:ASSERTN Example 1 which seems to describe the AfD!


 * Putting on my ESOL teacher hat, Draftify may be the a way forward but before you try to impose it you need to make sure that your principal editors understand what it is about- just doing it appears belligerent. The process could be explained on the associated talk page. Notability must be kept separate from the quality argument. This is no longer a stub- it is a start class and can be treated as such and any of us can do a ce. I have put some suggestions on how we can improve it, have you any more. ClemRutter (talk) 12:14, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I just added some scholar students from this school who have got scholarship from Bihar State Shia Wakf Board in year 2010-11(2nd phase) you may check at http://www.technixindia.com/wakfboard/report-phase2-1011-result.php?page=24 using serial no. 116378-116379 they are Shamsha Khatun and Shaddam Hussain.Sturdyankit (talk) 13:13, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you sir, But I don't think so my article is totally complete I have added valid references to this page. References are available. I didn't add them myself. This is I believe that my article doesn't have much references but not even less and it is because of its existence in rural area. My intention is to improve my article with updates as soon as possible rather than to be draftified. and it is truly ready for mainspace.Sturdyankit (talk) 05:50, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Dear sir, thank you very much but as I mentioned earlier for rural schools/college(specially in India) it's become too tough to finding it's existence on any independent sources(even though it is notable) but inspite of that I mentioned some of them. And I'm also continued to searching of newspaper and docs. extracts about school But I request to keep it for now.Sturdyankit (talk) 01:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Struck out double vote by author .As, a user previously  mentioned so I wanna clearify that my article is not a promotional article or anything else. i have created this because this school is one which was built in such a time when there in india existed British goverment and their rules, regulations. and school served education in hindi medium language including some of indian and british student too. actually, this is those  type of facts which became vanished with time. For verifying its existence and notability i already have given some of   official Bihar government  and some independent citations or refrences. I did a lot of travels and meeting to collecting info. for my article, However, I found BSEB board results. But generally BSEB results are either in pdf or list form. You may check it on page 27/34 with serial no. 1046-1059 or roll no. 1400067-1400369. Using http://bcebcwelfare.bihar.gov.in/medhavritiPDF/Siwan.pdf

Dear Thank you very much. I do my best to add all of those things which you mentioned above and newspaper extracts as soon as possible. Actually the newspaper company and journalist doesn't print rural news(even results) in large columns they prefer short/ merged columns so I felt many difficulties but I continued to it. But for now I request to mr. Admin to keep my article and I approve it as soon as possible.Sturdyankit (talk) 00:42, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as discussed above, but move to Practical High School. 17:04, 22 February 2020 (UTC) -- Proceeding unsigned comment added by
 * It's not called Practical High School. Try reading the (few) sources given. Ajf773 (talk) 20:00, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * 2 of the 3 sources in the article say that it is, as do the 2 links given above in the AFD, so it looks as if ref 1 (used again as 2, 6, 8, & 9) is the one with the wrong spelling. Although the editor got the spelling wrong in the article title, he got it right in the 2 images he uploaded to Commons.--David Biddulph (talk) 21:23, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The wrong spelling is presumably the reason why the "Delete" !voters were struggling to find sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:27, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear sir, Thank you very much for suggesting me I just check it on Bihar gov database i.e, [] using name as practical high school with code 92096 and their it is named as you suggested Now, I moved this to practical high school.Sturdyankit (talk) 05:10, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - Moved. Since the nomination, the author of the article has, as he says, moved it from Pratical high school to Practical high school, and I have moved it further to the correctly capitalised Practical High School (as recommended further above by ). --David Biddulph (talk) 07:58, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - confused. I think I prefer the schools.org.in  spelling, https://schools.org.in/siwan/10161003904/pratical-high-school.html a source. The 10161003904 is the UDISE Code. The Database page is national, where the chances are that the Exam Board page was written as a translation from a Hindi original and a typo crept in. ClemRutter (talk) 09:19, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Google https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Practical+High+School%22+Bihar gives 859 results; Google https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Pratical+High+School%22+Bihar gives only 145 results. The spelling would, of course, be academic if the decision ends up being to delete. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Google https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Practical+High+School%22+Bihar gives 859 results; Google https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Pratical+High+School%22+Bihar gives only 145 results. The spelling would, of course, be academic if the decision ends up being to delete. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete We need significant coverage in reliable sources, currently it fails WP:GNG. The three "sources" currently in the article proves that the school exists but provides little additional information. As a result most of the article is unverifiable. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 16:17, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per 's comments, I couldnt find anything better either. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) (click me!)    18:52, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The message from uninvolved editors is clear- they have looked for references to support the article and have failed to find anything on line. This is all about references. As a local editor you have access to sources that we haven't- the article has come a long way but the supporting references are not there- and there is still no evidence that any anything exist on paper, in libraries, council offices in council papers. Please can you search these out and tell us what they say. ClemRutter (talk) 22:39, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I pretty much see a delete consensus but going to relist to see if Clem's ping does any good.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:10, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete After searches by multiple editors, no one has been able to find any sources that satisfy GNG. Although unlikely, the article could always be recreated if someone is able to find the sources proving that. b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 04:19, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear thank you very much for your suggestions as you mentioned previously I just added some scholar students from this school who have got scholarship from Bihar State Shia Wakf Board in year 2010-11(2nd phase) you may check at http://www.technixindia.com/wakfboard/report-phase2-1011-result.php?page=24 using serial no. 116378-116379 they are Shamsha Khatun and Shaddam Hussain. and i'm also searching for other docs as you mentioned currently.Sturdyankit (talk) 05:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete – unfortunately it does not look like this is a notable school. I have not been able to find any sources to show notability, and if the best additions that local editors are able to make are mentions of scholarships, it's very unlikely that notability can be shown. --bonadea contributions talk 10:56, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Draftify It's me (the author of this article), due to some family issue, for a short period of time I am unable to continue on my article. So, I request to Mr. Admin to drafting my article in order that I will work on after some time instead of deleting. Thank you - Sturdyankit (talk) 22:11, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per this Rfc and WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. KartikeyaS343 (talk) 16:28, 5 March 2020 (UTC)


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