Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prayer of Repentance


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. In contrast to my comments relisting Articles for deletion/Beloved God Prayer, this AFD has generated enough participation that I think I can find consensus to delete, in view of the lack of policy basis underlying the keep !votes (which consist largely of an attack on the nominator's motivations)...as delighted as I am by the concept of a "cannon of prayers". Steve Smith (talk) 03:04, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Prayer of Repentance

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I fail to see an iota of notability of the subject and non-trivial significant coverage about it, except in the biographical hagiography of Meher Baba, other biographies and self-sources.Yeah, he wrote it but how is it encyclopedic stuff?!Notability isn't inherited.

Part of a walled garden around Meher Baba.Nukable mess.

This t/p thread may provide some nackgound aspects on the issue. ~ Winged Blades Godric 05:28, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  ~ Winged Blades Godric  05:33, 9 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep, this is about the 10th page I've found in a coordinated purge-attempt of Meher Baba articles. There are likely many more, and I don't have the time now to find them all, so I'd ask that, due to the bias language used, that the nominator remove all of the deletion attempt pages. As with the rest, I am sad to have to actually "defend" myself from the language used and say I am not in a Baba cult, am not a member of any related organization, and do not know anyone who is. I'm an editor who has found an attempt to gut a notable topic on Wikipedia, and find this series of deletion pages both very unusual, overlayed with language that proves the nominator's bias, and is possibly unique in my experience editing here. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:41, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks and congratulations on your finding.Now, please provide the sources, since you've gladly forgot the main criterion of defending the notability of an article.And, you may like to read WP:ILIKEIT. ~ Winged Blades Godric 16:00, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete It there is no WP:SIGCOV.  There is no coverage outside of writing about Meher Baba, which would obviously mention his work.   Of the 17 references there are 5 different books cited, the same issue of Awakener Magazine is cited twice, and 2 websites that are primary sources.  Mention of this prayer is better placed on his page.  I cannot respond to Randy Kryn's vote because he does not make a valid argument.  8&#61;&#61;8 Boneso (talk) 11:50, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Boneso. Edward321 (talk) 14:29, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Valid source listed on page, a book published by Allen & Unwin, a reputable publishing house. This is used as a reference. Please pull this nomination, and any other nomination made that lists this book as a reference (does the nominator not check and research references before making a deletion claim?). As for the numerous "non-reputable" books and sources listed, most are not written by the subject. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:34, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep This is part of a cannon of prayers by a real religious movement. See |Category:Prayers by Meher Baba. Why would the prayers of the Meher Baba movement be deleted and not the hundreds of prayers on Wikipedia. Prayers are in prayer books. Should we go hunting through Category:Prayer or List of prayers for whose prayers are holy and which not? Sounds like bias to me. How is any published and used prayer notable, and another not? There's no criterion. But if you want to delete this prayer be sure to be thorough and delete ALL Baba's prayers, for being especially not notable. Part of a very immature "culling" of Baba related articles. I quote from Winged Blade's back-channeled declaration of his breathless jihad from here User_talk:Serial_Number_54129: "I'll be attempting unilateral culling(s) and AfD despatches on some of the easier ones but given the amount of established SPAs devoted to the topic, I guess, tearing the wall down is going to be a difficult" (Winged Blades). When are prayers a wall to be torn down? Dazedbythebell (talk) 16:25, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I fully agree that any prayer that is not in itself notable should not have a Wikipedia article. If you have specific instances in mind, the rational thing to do would be to nominate those articles for deletion. --bonadea contributions talk 18:32, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Other crap exists. ~ Winged Blades Godric 04:35, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Be bold and present them for AfD or similar discussion. This doesn't look like a personal vengeance but how this editor went through what was present within categories, etc. It shouldn't be taken personal. – TheGridExe  ( talk )  20:49, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - no significant coverage, no notability, no article. As simple as that. The title would make a good redirect to the Meher Baba article. --bonadea contributions talk 18:32, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   18:21, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


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