Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prelate Annalina


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   No consensus (default keep). The elephant in the room is that the guideline on notability for this class of subject is currently undergoing heavy debate elsewhere. There are clearly two entrenched sides is stark opposition of eachother's views. Neither makes a compelling argument which is steeped in actual policy or long-standing community consensus. I am confident that if this discussion was relisted, it would look just like it does now in a week, albeit probably longer. The deletion policy is clear in its instructions to default to keep in such a situation, hence my decision hereto.  Jerry  delusional ¤ kangaroo 03:10, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

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This is an article on a minor character in a book series and fails to meet notability guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dividertabs (talk • contribs)

Comment: I have notified the Fantasy Taskforce of this discussion so we can get input from more experienced specialist editors NullofWest (talk) 20:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The character isn't minor - they've fairly central to the plot and recur over the course of the whole Sword of Truth seris. That said, I've been unable to find any Reliable Sources to show real world notability - suggest a merge to the seris page - my first sentance is based on primary sources. NullofWest (talk) 20:02, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Article does not indicate any real-world significance of this fictional character biography. It also appears to be original research based on primary source material. ~ Ningauble (talk) 20:54, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete No hint of real world notability. Supporting character in moderately notable series. Redirect to Sword of Truth. RayAYang (talk) 05:36, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as a major character in an important series. Appropriate break out page. Weird, that policy is being determined by relative persistence here of the same people. DGG (talk) 21:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Point taken. As one of who might be considered a pest here, I will think about contributing to the Wikipedia:Notability/RFC:compromise discussion in the abstract, and will abide by any conclusive consensus it reaches (except when I ignore it). Meanwhile, I make no apology for participating in practice, and take no offense at rebuttals. ~ Ningauble (talk) 19:55, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Plot summary and in-universe detail with no real-world information. Lack of significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject indicates that this character is non-notable. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 01:19, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep due to real world notability and out of universe detail as well as signigficant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. Many Google book hits.  -- Happy editing!  Sincerely,  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 16:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * source plz? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:18, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * See the link above. -- Happy editing!  Sincerely,  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 01:40, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What sources were there again? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:41, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Look, you have already made it clear that 1) you don't personally like me and 2) you will respond to me just to disrupt me. Therefore, I will not play these unconstructive games with you any further and will avoid going back and forth with you as there does not seem any constructive purpose in doing so.  I looked in those links and believe the appearances are sufficient enough for inclusion on Wikipedia.  There's not much more to say.  It is obvious that by now neither of us are going to convince the other and while I try hard to not actually think of anyone here with terms like "dislike", you have made it clear as much about me that you feel that why, so there's just no point here.  -- Happy editing!  Sincerely,  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 01:55, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How I feel is irrelevant to a discussion of this article subject. Now, which of those "sources" in your Google search isn't a work of fiction? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:00, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per RayAYang. No real-world notability. Stifle (talk) 11:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The bifecta of WP:PERNOM and WP:JNN. :)  -- Happy editing!  Sincerely,  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 19:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge into Characters in The Sword of Truth WikiScrubber (talk) 17:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.