Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Premeditated murder


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 01:49, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Premeditated murder

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Not a seperate crime. Murder is always premeditated. Premeditation is what distinguishes it from manslaughter. Even the link to the US law provided in the article states that murder by itself includes premeditation. The term Premeditated murder is nothing but a pleonasm. Tvx1 19:28, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge with Murder Simonm223 (talk) 19:34, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. N ORTH A MERICA 1000 21:36, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. N ORTH A MERICA 1000 21:36, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep it's a stub now but it could be improved easily. deletion should be for articles that have no hope of being good. This article could easily rack up references to an articles worth of content. Bryce Carmony (talk) 00:09, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve. Certainly not a pleonasm. The suggestion that pre-meditation is always an element of murder is verifiably wrong. In Bermuda, there is or was a "separate offence" of "premeditated murder" under section 286A of the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1980: discussed in this judgment, which seems to have formerly carried a mandatory death penalty: . In England, a murder can certainly be committed without pre-meditation (see, for example, page 497 of the 13th edition of Smith and Hogan's Criminal Law or any other book on English criminal law, such as these: . Lord Hailsham said that premeditation was unnecessary in R v Cunningham, following Hyam v DPP. And this is a very well known fact). 18 U.S. Code § 1111 does speak of premeditated killings, in the context of first degree murder only, and one does find sources discussing this and calling it "premeditated murder": . One can also find discussion in the context of South Africa:  (apparently a reference to the mandatory sentence imposed on "planned or premeditated murder" by section 51 of the Criminal Law Amendment Act 105 of 1997). James500 (talk) 05:30, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - AfD is not a clean-up tool. per WP:GNG.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:06, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable topic. AFD is not for cleanup. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 18:37, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - while it needs cleanup, it meets WP:GNG; furthermore, as others have noted, premeditation is not an inherent part of murder in all jurisdictions. Inks.LWC (talk) 02:36, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.