Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Priit Salumäe


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The result was   redirect to Paris–Dakar Bike Race. Redirecting as an editorial decision. Consider this a no consensus close. Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Priit Salumäe

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Fails WP:ATHLETE. Salumäe should be notable for winning the 2006 Paris–Dakar Bike Race, but this is not a professional event and not a top amateur event. The article does not mention that he won or started in other races, and I found no source (not even unreliable) that mentions other races for Salamäe. I don't speak Estonian, so I could have missed some in that language. EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 07:31, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

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 * Keep Although the Paris-Dakar bicycle race is pretty well ignored by the American press (despite the pedaling a bike 4,000 miles across mountains and deserts, no big deal, right?), it (and Priit Salumäe) got a lot of recognition among cyclists in the rest of the world   .  Mandsford 15:10, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
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 * The first link shows just 659 google results. My own name gives more than 2000 results about my person, but that does not make me notable for wikipedia. The second link was written by Rob van der Geest, the owner of the company who organised the race. It is promotion for his own race. The third result says "The majority of the riders do not compete.", which makes clear that Salumäe's result is not really important. The fourth result is "provided by Bike Dreams", and Bike Dreams is the company that organises the Paris-Dakar cycling race, so again it is promotion for their own race.
 * Salumäe is only known for winning the Paris-Dakar race, so I would say WP:BLP1E applies here. (The Paris-Dakar race has its own AFD discussion, independent from this. This does not prove that the race is not notable, but I forgot to mention it here earlier.) --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 22:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

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 * Keep. In my opinion he is notable and it is needed in WikiProject Estonia also. Although adding more info would be good.
 * By searching him from Google, you can find 3,630 results. (15 result for my person, and it is hardly believable that you have 2,000? Lots of same-named people?). Anyway, these results doesn't matter. Pelmeen10 (talk) 15:37, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Salumäe fails WP:ATHLETE. He can still be notable for wikipedia, if reliable secondary sources about him can be found. I looked for them, but could not find them. Honestly. The sources given above are, as I showed above, either published by the race organiser (not independent), or show that Salumäe's result is not important. If you have better sources that do show he is notable, please show them. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 16:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

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 * Delete WP:ATH doesn't apply because if we are to consider Paris-Dakar as a competitive race (debatable) then it's certainly not at the highest level and Salumäe doesn't seem to have attempted to compete is anything of WP:ATH standard. That said, there isn't sufficient reliable third part sources presented or seemingly available to keep. SeveroTC 16:25, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
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 * Oops. I had not intended to hit the relist button on this one. However, a little more input would be helpful. If another admin thinks there is enough here to make a call then be my guest. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:35, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:ATHLETE is clear on this one: the race is not on the highest level, and far as we can find, it is the only race he participated in, so no 'automatic' notability for being an athlete. It can only be demonstrated to be notable by showing reliable sources about his notability, and no sources have been found for this.--EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 07:48, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
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