Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prim Lyza


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. czar 01:22, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Prim Lyza

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This person is not notable, according to a thorough online search. There are no publications to support her claims of work. Fails general notability guidelines. PlayOboe (talk) 12:44, 3 August 2022 (UTC) Blocked sock. Beccaynr (talk) 00:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:39, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. PlayOboe (talk) 12:44, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Cambodia,  and Singapore. Shellwood (talk) 12:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Two sources in Cambodian script, don't appear notable using GTranslate. Simply talking about something related. Oaktree b (talk) 15:21, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep based on a search for Khmer language sources aided by machine translation. Issues with the article can be partly attributed to its origins as a puff piece. Another contributing factor is wp:systemic bias due to a lack of English language sources and shortage of proficient editors from Cambodia. I've taken some initial steps to try to address sourcing and tone issues. Notability assessment follows.
 * Difficult to assess as an actress, probably does not meet WP:ENT. Filmography looks incomplete and lacks details, but appears to be a product of good faith efforts; finding reliable secondary sources is challenging. Primary-sourced evidence of acting career in the form of a "portfolio" of excerpts on her YT channel, appears to be mostly TV rather than movies; unclear if in major or minor roles. Recipient in 2013 of "most popular actress" category in Cambodian entertainment awards show, but some controversy over this as it was decided by popular vote. Interestingly, a recent news article chose to cite her appearance in an MV rather than some more substantial acting achievement. Youtube search finds evidence of non-acting appearances (talk/variety shows) on television (MyTV, PNN) supporting some amount of celebrity status. As a fashion model, there are primary-source claims via interview/spokesperson that she has attended shows in multiple foreign countries; was able to substantiate Vietnam Int'l Fashion Week 2016. "The Secret of the Night" award also appears to be fashion-related (YT) but does not seem remarkable. With respect to invited to participate in events and invited to opening ceremonies of retail outlets it is unclear whether attending as a guest or for modeling work, may be a mix of both. Clearly not of supermodel-tier notability.
 * Having failed to find enough evidence to support notability based on specific critieria, we look to WP:GNG. Has coverage spanning a decade across multiple news outlets. Gets attention for dressing extravagantly and flaunting her figure, so need to filter out sources (e.g. sabay, khmerload) where coverage is basically a thinly veiled excuse for photo galleries. There is SIGCOV in articles written specifically about her in entertainment sections of newspapers, though much of it is celebrity gossip that I think we'd rather not include in the article:
 * Generic celebrity/socialite coverage. Wears expensive clothes,  or is she just exaggerating the price?
 * Scandal involving an affair with a married man who had abandoned his family
 * Charity work
 * Criticism from conservatives about immodesty, materialism, abandoning traditional values etc
 * Not active in local acting scene
 * Revelation that she is a single mother
 * These come from Khmer language edition of The Phnom Penh Post (oldest English newspaper), as well as Koh Santepheap Daily (widest circulation) and Kampuchea Thmey Daily. The subject has sufficient celebrity status in Cambodia to warrant sustained coverage; although this could well be a case of famous for being famous (or scandalous) since her acting output isn't treated by sources as of particular note — found no in-depth discussion of any acting role she has taken. — 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Getting attention for "dressing extravagantly and flaunting her figure" is not a notability criteria on Wikipedia. On that logic, we've to include all Instagram stars on Wikipedia. PlayOboe (talk) 17:34, 6 August 2022 (UTC) Blocked sock. Beccaynr (talk) 00:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Not all Instagram stars receive sustained significant coverage in reliable sources. That is the notability criteria being cited here. Stop trying to twist my words. — 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 19:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep based on the new sources quoted above. Have stricken my prior !vote. Oaktree b (talk) 18:52, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * she appears to be "Kardashian famous", only famous for "being famous" if that makes sense. As is Paris Hilton. I'm all for eliminating bias on wikipedia, use of non-English sources and the lack of female-focused articles are always important here. Oaktree b (talk) 18:55, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


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