Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prin Goonchorn


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 11:30, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Prin Goonchorn

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested based on an unsupported claim to general notability. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:45, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:45, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:45, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 10:14, 9 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTY and nothing currently in the article meets WP:GNG. I do know user helped with a previous deletion that was saved (Yotsapon Teangdar) as they can read Thai, so if there is articles out there that would help it meet WP:GNG I would suggest they are added otherwise I stand by the delete. I note there maybe some articles by a simple google search but they are all in Thai .  NZFC  (talk) 20:49, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 10:06, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: The first page of Google results include in-depth profiles by FourFourTwo, Goal.com, SuperSubThailand.com, and an evening news scoop from PPTV. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:31, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * , while that is good there appears to be more coverage of the player. This is English language wikipedia and none of us can read that information and can only go with what is on the article. Unless you want to add that information to the article its hard for us to say keep just because there is more information that we can't add out there. NZFC  (talk) 20:49, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
 * NZ Footballs Conscience & GiantSnowman, I've re written the article. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:49, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To allow more discussion since article has been modified.
 * Delete Tier 2 Soccer player in a Thai League is not notable even in their own country. Peter303x (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:49, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Satisfies the GNG, per the above given sources. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:24, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 23:14, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment A tough one to vote on as there are few English-language sources. A google search of his Thai name brings up several articles which we'd generally consider WP:MILL (signing for Thai Honda, U-23 articles) along with the other articles above. Language barrier aside, I'd like to see more sources to show WP:GNG (he fails WP:NFOOTY, though if his old team was professional he may have played in a cup match between two fully professional teams). That being said I can't discount the sources shown above, so I'm a neutral "vote"/simply commenting here. SportingFlyer  talk  03:32, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment People, the article has four sources in it. From what I read nobody has really discussed them, right? We can't just shrugg them (and possibly other sources) off because they are in Thai. That would be a horrible bias towards foreign language sources. Can we get someone here who knows the language before making decisions? wikitigresito (talk) 01:56, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * See above, the sources where only added recently by Paul_012 who can speak Thai. So a lot of the votes where based before they added these new sources. The player doesn't pass WP:NFOOTY but I'm not sure even with the new sources if it is enough to pass WP:GNG. NZFC  (talk) 02:04, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per recently added sources. Thanks for explanation . - wikitigresito (talk) 15:16, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 17:43, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Paul_012 sources. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 03:43, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete for failing WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. I cannot, in good conscience, place blind faith on text in a non-English language, which I do not speak written by a Wikipedia contributor who supports the article's inclusion . Even after examining the sources provided as much as I could and with the help of online translators, I find them to be profiles that are typically promoted by interested parties, e.g. agents. Nothing there to satisfy the aforesaid criteria. -The Gnome (talk) 09:30, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, Google Translate is rubbish with Thai. I don't know, however, what you're referring to when you mention "text (in a non-English language) written by a Wikipedia contributor". Maybe you could clarify? --Paul_012 (talk) 23:50, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Greetings. You are a Wikipedia contributor and the articles were written in a non-English language. Didn't you state above that it was you who wrote those articles? Didn't I understand you correctly? -The Gnome (talk) 10:55, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * No, I had nothing to do with those Thai sources. What I said was that I rewrote the Prin Goonchorn Wikipedia page, which was previously a one-sentence stub, into an actual article. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:29, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing this up. I'm striking off the relevant portion of my comment, above. -The Gnome (talk)


 * Comment: In order to have our suggestions considered, they must be based on some rule or policy. We cannot just declare "I like it!" The criteria of fooballers' notability are indisputably not met by the article's subject. This player hasn't played in any Tier 1 International Match, in a competitive senior international match at confederation level (regardless of whether or not the teams are members of FIFA, or the Olympic Games), and he hasn't played in a competitive game between two teams from fully-professional, notable leagues. So, that's it for football. Nothing Wikinotable.
 * Now, about the much suffering general notability guideline. The key instructions are as follows (emphasis in the original): If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list. "Presumed" means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Underline the last bit: We are not supposed to have here indiscriminate listings of people, such as pro athletes, who do not meet their respective notability-criteria just because they have received lots of coverage in their local press! This is just not done; it's as far from the spirit of the guideline as possible. -The Gnome (talk) 15:55, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per the prose of The Gnome comment above. Kid hasn't not done anything worthy of note. Fails all SNG and I have never interpreted the GNG to mean create an art le for everyone who gets a few write ups in the paper. Particularly so for sports pages. Club Oranje T 12:00, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 04:57, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Not sure pass whether WP:GNG or not so I need more people comment. Hhkohh (talk) 10:23, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


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