Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prince Achileas-Andreas of Greece and Denmark


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The result was   delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:56, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Prince Achileas-Andreas of Greece and Denmark

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This ten-year old child is the grandson of a deposed monarch, born 25 years after Greece became a republic. Apparently he has never done anything of note other than leave his mother's womb.

In contrast to his younger brother Prince Odysseas-Kimon of Greece and Denmark, for this child we don't even have unsourced information on which school he is attending. We have nothing other than his name, "titles" and date of birth. The fact is obscured by a lot of impressive templates, though.

This is an almost completely unsourced BLP article, and it will obviously stay that way unless this child at some point joins a top football team, stabs a journalist, runs for a public office, or does anything else interesting. Meanwhile we could add his birth weight (4 kg) to the article to disguise this problem.

Seriously, we don't have a policy to include all descendants of royals, and from an organisational point of view it just makes no sense. Even the websites that specialise on that stuff don't have a separate page for every member of a family. They have huge pages with the entire family tree, and one person is one line.

An encyclopedia is supposed to condense the available information. Here we are inflating it. Hans Adler 06:40, 19 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as not inherently notable and notability is not inherited. I agree that this is a difficult area. Clearly parentage is relevant when discussing hereditary positions, and this family's claim to the Greek throne is not completely extinguished given that it is not impossible that political circumstances might arise in which the monarchy were invited to return however remote that now seems. And notability of children should not be judged simply by how many ghits they generate or column inches they occupy in print, since some parents go to great lengths to protect their privacy precisely because of the pressures they will face in adulthood, whilst a minor celeb mother might be willing to exploit her child for all she can get. Even saying all that, I agree with the nominator that this person does not stand in direct line as possible claimant, and is unlikely to have much adult notability other than in the context of his parentage, which makes sense only in the context of a wider article on that topic. --AJHingston (talk) 08:30, 19 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete not notable enough for own article. - dwc lr (talk) 12:54, 19 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. Ex-royals' grandchildren aren't inherently notable the way a reigning monarch's grandchildren might be.  --Coemgenus 13:08, 19 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. As for the other kid, not notable enough for his own article. And thanks for making the nom entertaining, Hans! ;)  Night w   09:11, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to his father, Pavlos, Crown Prince of Greece. Maybe ten years from now, the kid will be the kind of socialite who gets profiled in Vanity Fair, and then the article about him can be re-created. Or maybe he won't be, and the article won't be re-created. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:56, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
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