Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prince Pedro Luís of Orléans-Braganza


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   No Consensus to delete. The below debate has not reached a consensus as to whether or not coverage is sufficient to support an article on this subject. Eluchil404 (talk) 21:18, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Prince Pedro Luís of Orléans-Braganza

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Contested prod, not notable. PatGallacher (talk) 12:08, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

This person's claim to notability is very weak, it is that he was expected to become a pretender to the Brazilian throne, but he cannot become one now since he died young. We cannot predict what might have happened if he had lived longer, see WP:CRYSTAL. It is open to question if his family can be regarded as pretenders, since this might imply someone who actively questions the legitimacy of the current de facto government, but this person lived in Brazil and supported the current president. I also note that he was one of two families regarded as being in line to the Brazilian throne. PatGallacher (talk) 12:20, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 18:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 18:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep to me the article establishes notability already without me needing to do any extra research to find further sources. - dwc lr (talk) 23:15, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Coverage of the plane crash and its victims was extensive, invariably mentioning Dom Pedro Luis as one of and sometimes the most prominent passenger out of more than 200 killed. In addition, references to him and to his prospects as eventual claimant to a throne which had been the subject of a national referendum as recently as 1993 can be found in plenty of reliable sources, e.g. The Descendants of King George I of Great Britain by Daniel Willis, 2002, p.148; ''Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, Furstliche Hauser, 1991, p.34; Le Petit Gotha by Badts & Coutant, 2002, p.321,etc. FactStraight (talk) 07:25, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 01:47, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete, as per nom. However, the referendum and plane crash may be notable for their own articles in which the prince could be mentioned. 1292simon (talk) 02:42, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - I concur with nom that this is a very weak claim to notability, that of inheritance (WP:NOTINHERIT) and being one person in a large planecrash (again, notability is not inherited from an event). His own notability as a person seems so slight as not to be worth mentioning. The reason given by DWC LR is "it's obvious" - well it isn't. The reason given by FactStraight is inheritance, which isn't valid. Seems a simple case for deletion to me. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:26, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GNG - it's not our job as editors to second-guess the reasons why the sources note the subjects; newspapers reported about this person, not because he could potentially be emperor in the future but because he was currently in the succession list (a notable status by itself, as the genealogies ascertain), so WP:CRYSTAL doesn't apply. The man has been directly covered for reasons other than the crash (see ), so the WP:BIO1E guideline and the WP:INHERIT essay don't apply either; he has been noted for at least two "events". Diego (talk) 13:09, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep (User has already !voted) Coverage of the plane crash and its victims was extensive, invariably mentioning Dom Pedro Luis as one of and sometimes the most prominent passenger out of more than 200 killed. In addition, references to him and to his prospects as eventual claimant to a throne which had been the subject of a national referendum as recently as 1993 can be found in plenty of reliable sources, e.g. The Descendants of King George I of Great Britain by Daniel Willis, 2002, p.148; Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, Furstliche Hauser, 1991, p.34; Le Petit Gotha by Badts & Coutant, 2002, p.321,etc. WP:INHERIT is a personal opinion, not a WP policy or even guideline -- if it were invariably applicable, so many reliable sources would not have listed Prince Pedro Luís as among the most prominent casualties of the air crash. FactStraight (talk) 04:09, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * - please note you can only !vote ONCE per AfD. Thanks Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:37, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
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